On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:14 AM, dmotd wrote:

First off, I just want to say, this doesn't only affect Pd-extended. [declare] is in vanilla, and these namespace prefixes existed before Pd-extended did. Pd-extended does use them as the main organizing structure of libraries, while Pd-vanilla is a free-for-all, you can use them, but you don't have to.

That said, you bring up a good point. For binaries, once they are loaded, they are in the global namespace. So yes, I think it will be confusing. But for abstractions, they are in effect only loaded into the canvas-local namespace because the path is consulted everytime you load an abstraction, AFAIK.

So perhaps for this release, only the libs made up of abstractions should be removed from the default load list (mapping, jmmmp, pixeltango, etc.)

The end goal is to have no libraries loaded by default, but it would be good if we can soften the transition. Maybe my idea doesn't soften the transition, in which case things should stay as they are. This thread has been very useful is bringing the issues to the surface. :)

.hc

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