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35 messages in com.redhat.fedora-listRe: Problem booting after Yum update ...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 4:00 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Nov 27, 2005 5:28 pm | |
| Michael A. Peters | Nov 27, 2005 6:41 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 7:04 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 7:15 pm | |
| Rey Cruz | Nov 27, 2005 7:31 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Nov 27, 2005 7:42 pm | |
| Neil Cherry | Nov 27, 2005 8:58 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 9:10 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Nov 27, 2005 9:26 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 9:46 pm | |
| Michael A. Peters | Nov 28, 2005 12:17 am | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Nov 28, 2005 4:53 am | |
| John Summerfied | Nov 28, 2005 5:35 am | |
| Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV | Nov 28, 2005 6:41 am | |
| Hans Müller | Nov 28, 2005 8:46 am | |
| Neil Cherry | Nov 28, 2005 5:10 pm | |
| John Summerfied | Nov 28, 2005 9:36 pm | |
| Min Chen | Dec 1, 2005 3:32 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Dec 1, 2005 6:16 pm | |
| Min Chen | Dec 1, 2005 9:25 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Dec 1, 2005 10:04 pm | |
| Tony Foster | Dec 1, 2005 11:09 pm | |
| Min Chen | Dec 3, 2005 10:36 pm | |
| Hans Müller | Dec 4, 2005 12:49 am | |
| James Wilkinson | Dec 5, 2005 1:26 pm | |
| Tony Foster | Dec 5, 2005 4:15 pm | |
| Tim | Dec 6, 2005 4:10 am | |
| James Wilkinson | Dec 8, 2005 12:20 am | |
| Tim | Dec 8, 2005 7:59 am | |
| Mike McCarty | Dec 8, 2005 8:37 am | |
| Tony Foster | Dec 8, 2005 9:20 am | |
| James Wilkinson | Dec 8, 2005 9:37 am | |
| Mike McCarty | Dec 8, 2005 11:03 am | |
| Tim | Dec 9, 2005 2:51 am |
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| Subject: | Re: Problem booting after Yum update of FC4 | Actions... |
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| From: | Tim (igno...@yahoo.com.au) | |
| Date: | Dec 9, 2005 2:51:50 am | |
| List: | com.redhat.fedora-list | |
On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 17:37 +0000, James Wilkinson wrote:
I maintain that * it's necessary in the particular case to which I was responding (at least to do this to somewhere in the Internet)
What makes you think you need to ping continuously for a few hours? Ping for a bit, fiddle with settings, ping a bit more, but not continuously. This sounds like uneducated fiddling that you're proposing to do something so prolonged.
* Google are competent enough to understand that if they provide a ping service, people are likely to use it for the normal, expected purposes of that service.
Perhaps they might expect that people mightn't abuse the privilege and only ping to an acceptable amount.
* if someone provides a public service (e.g. a footpath), in the absence of any contrary signs or an attempt to keep the public out, there is an implied license to use that service in a reasonable manner.
Try reading some etiquette, etc., guides. No doubt you'll find advice about pinging (don't abuse ping responders, ask permission, etc.). It's incumbent upon you to use what's available sensibly and appropriately.
Unfortunately, in order to diagnose certain sorts of network problems, this sort of activity is necessary. Especially when you have intermittent problems when only a few packets get dropped. Sometimes you will get about 20% packet drops over a few minutes in a period of a couple of hours.
So do the tests between people you have permission to do so with. The first test should be between the client and their first connection to the internet (their ISP, generally), anyway. If that's fine, then the problem's out of their hands; if it's not fine, then you're dealing with the only people who will be able to do something to help you.
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