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| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 11:31 am | |
| Jeff Potter | Jan 5, 2004 12:58 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 1:26 pm | |
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| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 5, 2004 1:56 pm | |
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| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:10 am | |
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| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:12 am | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 6, 2004 10:20 am | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 10:50 am | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 6, 2004 2:10 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 3:07 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 6, 2004 3:28 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 3:44 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 3:46 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 3:56 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 4:17 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:31 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 4:45 pm | |
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| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 5:33 pm | |
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| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 6:12 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 6, 2004 6:17 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 6:22 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 6:34 pm | |
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| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 7:10 pm | |
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| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 8:22 pm | |
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| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 11:19 pm | |
| Roland | Jan 7, 2004 3:56 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 4:14 am | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 10:47 am | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 10:59 am | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 7, 2004 11:37 am | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 12:18 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 1:09 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 1:40 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 3:08 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 3:14 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 3:32 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 3:46 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 3:50 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 3:52 pm | |
| Bill Michell | Jan 7, 2004 3:54 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 3:56 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:03 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:06 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 7, 2004 4:12 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 7, 2004 4:16 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 4:27 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:29 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 4:32 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:33 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 4:58 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 5:07 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 5:27 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 7, 2004 6:33 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 7:00 pm |
| Subject: | [courier-users] RE: freemail list and questions about yahoo... | |
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| From: | Julian Mehnle (lis...@mehnle.net) | |
| Date: | Jan 7, 2004 3:52:45 pm | |
| List: | net.sourceforge.lists.courier-users | |
Malcolm Weir <ma...@gelt.org> wrote:
Julian Mehnle wrote:
while some people think it should be generally adopted *instead* of rivaling schemes like SPF due to Yahoo's 800lb Gorilla factor.
And you know that... How?
Fact is that 'YASAF' does more. So how do you know that people aren't thinking it should be generally adopted due to the fact that it does more?
I didn't say that there are no other reasons for people. But as became evident
in this thread, some people *do* think that YASAF should be generally adopted
over SPF because of Yahoo's 800lb Gorilla factor -- of course among other
reasons. And this bothers me, because most detais of YASAF aren't even
available yet. Unfortunately, market force seems to be more important than
technical soundness or fitness for the purpose (yeah, alright, we don't exactly
agree on the purpose).
That's my point. You're simply pissed at Yahoo's scheme because, apparently, it isn't SPF. Not because of what it is.
This is not true. I have no financial or emotional affiliation with SPF or its
author whatsoever.
[...] Garlinghouse said Yahoo is seeking a patent on the DomainKeys technology, but will license it at no charge to anyone who wants it. Yahoo is also creating software that will add the capability to Qmail and Sendmail, two of the most common e-mail server programs. This software will be distributed free. [...]
"free"? That sure *sounds* like "free bear", not "free speech". But we won't know for sure until we hear more from Yahoo. Let's wait and see...
Get over yourself, Julian! Since Yahoo isn't *preventing* you from implementing whatever the heck you want, it *is* 'free speech': you can implement SPF, ignore Yahoo, do whatever the blue blazes you want.
Sure they aren't preventing anybody from anything, I never said that. What I
meant to say is that it appears they won't release their software as free
software, free as in "free speech".
To set things clear, if it wasn't for the overkill and the danger of
commercialization by Yahoo, I'd very well start thinking of implementing YASAF
(as soon as the specs are available).
Also, there are sound reasons to patent this sort of thing, not least of which is the protection of the technology against claims of infringement [...]
The finding of "prior art" would protect them anyway.