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Subject:Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
From:Jonathan Wilkes (janc@yahoo.com)
Date:Sep 1, 2009 11:20:58 am
List:at.iem.pd-list
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--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:15 PM

On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <ha@at.or.at> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM

On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner

<ha@at.or.at>

wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help

Patch

Authors

To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM

It is Pd, so I think we should at

least make

an

effort to

make things easy to parse in Pd. 

I tried

your parser

using data that is probably closer to

what

we

might use, and

it didn't work at

all.   If someone

can get a

Pd parser working that can handle the

commas

well,

then I

would be OK using commas in the meta

data

format.

Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency

modulation,

synthesis

Hi Hans,       I wouldn't expect my

example

to work as a general solution.  If you

want a general solution, I'd be happy to

take a

stab

at it, but you

haven't said what you want Pd to do with

the

data

example you've provided

above.

Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed the object_db.tcl plugin discussion and the [pd META] discussion with Frank.  Basically, the object_db.tcl plugin builds a multilevel menu for finding objects based on

tags.

I'm

am sure people will think of other uses for

the

tags.

Frank suggested using comma separated tags in his [pd REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came to the conclusion that the meta data should be easily parsable

by Pd,

and I

still think that's a good idea.

So the idea is to have every help patch have a

[pd

META]

subpatch, and in it, have a comment with tags.

.hc

Oh, ok.  I'll have a look at that discussion.

-Jonathan

Yes, I have seen this discussion.  But I'm still confused: are commas a problem in tcl?  If not, I still don't understand the problem (see attached).

<file.pd><parser.pd>

Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser.  It interprets commas as a  separator between messages.  Since there isn't an escape mechanism, it  means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is difficult unless you are  wanting the behavior of Pd's parser.

If we use commas as the delimiter for individual tags, then just  removing the commas means you don't know if you have multi-word tags  or just single word tags.  So if you have:

    tags - frequency modulation, synth

and its parsed as:

    tags frequency modulation synth

then key information is lost.

Ok. (see attached)

-Jonathan

.hc

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Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally  for machines to execute.   - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

#N canvas 261 110 450 300 12; #X text 46 42 TAG - foo \, bar \, blah blah \, blee blow blay \, bank ;

#N canvas 585 102 344 549 12; #X obj 12 35 textfile; #X msg 12 10 read file.pd \, rewind \, bang \, bang; #X obj 12 60 route #X; #X obj 12 85 route text; #X obj 12 110 list split 2; #X obj 52 278 list split 1; #X obj 124 60 file; #X text 170 60 <- file to be parsed; #X obj 52 309 t b a; #X obj 67 346 list; #X obj 84 377 sel \,; #X obj 109 442 t a; #X obj 76 475 list; #X obj 84 251 print before; #X obj 52 224 t a a; #X obj 109 415 list prepend; #X obj 52 170 route TAG; #X obj 52 197 route -; #X obj 52 141 list trim; #X obj 76 505 print parsed; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 1 18 0; #X connect 5 0 8 0; #X connect 5 1 9 1; #X connect 5 2 12 0; #X connect 5 2 15 1; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 8 1 10 0; #X connect 9 0 5 0; #X connect 10 0 15 1; #X connect 10 0 12 0; #X connect 10 1 15 0; #X connect 11 0 12 1; #X connect 11 0 15 1; #X connect 12 0 19 0; #X connect 14 0 5 0; #X connect 14 1 13 0; #X connect 15 0 11 0; #X connect 16 0 17 0; #X connect 17 0 14 0; #X connect 18 0 16 0;

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