| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 20, 2000 11:55 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 6:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 21, 2000 8:16 am | |
| Neil Dunbar | Sep 21, 2000 9:28 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 21, 2000 10:46 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 21, 2000 11:10 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:29 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:41 am | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:25 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:30 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 21, 2000 2:12 pm | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 12:52 am | |
| Paul Leyland | Sep 22, 2000 1:30 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 2:09 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:20 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:25 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 22, 2000 3:45 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 3:56 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 22, 2000 4:05 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 4:20 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 4:55 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 22, 2000 5:12 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 5:24 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 8:32 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 22, 2000 11:22 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 23, 2000 7:35 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 23, 2000 8:24 am | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 3:25 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 23, 2000 4:26 pm | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 4:38 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| Paul Crowley | Sep 24, 2000 11:07 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 25, 2000 3:53 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 25, 2000 7:09 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 10:40 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 1:13 pm | |
| Philip Rowlands | Sep 25, 2000 2:04 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 25, 2000 7:35 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 11:04 pm | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 26, 2000 1:59 am | |
| Pete Chown | Sep 26, 2000 2:38 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:45 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 11:42 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 12:26 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 27, 2000 3:46 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 7:52 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 11:53 am | |
| Benjamin Geer | Sep 27, 2000 6:41 pm |
| Subject: | RE: Demon & DeCSS | |
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| From: | Owen Blacker (owen...@pres.co.uk) | |
| Date: | Sep 22, 2000 4:55:15 am | |
| List: | uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcrypto | |
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Just to clarify, I agree with absolutely everything you've said. (Or, more succinctly, "<AOL />" :o)
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-----Original Message----- From: David Howe [mailto:DHo...@Hawkswing.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:57 AM To: ukcr...@maillist.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: Demon & DeCSS
Owen Blacker <owen...@pres.co.uk> wrote:
I wouldn't say their Legal Dept is necessarily "silly", just trying to act in the company's best interest, which is surely their contractual duty as employees of Thus plc. I may not like the fact that they threaten to pull a site after receiving somewhat dubious claims from the MPAA, but surely it's the MPAA's bad here. Demon's actions are understandable, even if perhaps not what we would like them to be. Any company's Legal dept exists in the main to cover the company's arse! :o)
It's the "company's best interest" bit we are debating here - It is certainly in the company's best interest to prevent itself being sued. however, the *easiest* way to do this is to ban its users from doing anything at all - no email in or out, no usenet, no web browsing. There *has* to be a dividing line between doing everything possible to prevent the remotest possibility of a lawsuit, and allowing your customers to do whatever they like with no accountability - but in this case the dividing line is too far on the backside-covering side of the chart. They are *paid* to give legal advice on what is or isn't a risk to Demon's finances before they do things that could cause their customers to leave in flocks. This is obviously (to us, possibly not to them) a case where an american trade pressure group are quoting american rulings to a british company; correct procedure would be to send back the "does this apply outside of america" letter and receive a response BEFORE you start threatening your customers, on which your income depends. If Demon's lawyers can't keep up with global events like DeCSS, and can't decide to what extent the American Disney Protection Laws apply in england, it may be time for them to find a new set of lawyers.
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