| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Sergey Sharybin | Jan 4, 2012 11:57 am | |
| Thomas Dinges | Jan 4, 2012 12:07 pm | |
| Nathan Letwory | Jan 4, 2012 12:12 pm | |
| Peter Amstutz | Jan 4, 2012 1:34 pm | |
| Knapp | Jan 4, 2012 1:42 pm | |
| Tobias Kummer | Jan 4, 2012 6:45 pm | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 4, 2012 7:56 pm | |
| Sergey Sharybin | Jan 4, 2012 11:59 pm | |
| Domino Marama | Jan 5, 2012 3:51 am | |
| Brecht Van Lommel | Jan 5, 2012 2:27 pm | |
| Domino Marama | Jan 5, 2012 2:54 pm | |
| Ton Roosendaal | Jan 6, 2012 2:58 am | |
| Gaia Clary | Jan 6, 2012 3:41 am | |
| Sergey Sharybin | Jan 6, 2012 3:48 am | |
| Thomas Dinges | Jan 6, 2012 3:51 am | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 6, 2012 4:07 am | |
| Knapp | Jan 6, 2012 10:51 am | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 6, 2012 12:20 pm | |
| Francesco Zoffoli | Jan 6, 2012 4:03 pm | |
| skoti | Jan 6, 2012 5:11 pm | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 6, 2012 5:34 pm | |
| Przemyslaw Golab | Jan 7, 2012 12:40 am | |
| Ton Roosendaal | Jan 7, 2012 3:30 am | |
| skoti | Jan 7, 2012 5:03 am | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 7, 2012 6:49 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 7:06 am | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 7, 2012 7:38 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 7:49 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 7:51 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 8:22 am | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 7, 2012 8:29 am | |
| Domino Marama | Jan 7, 2012 9:03 am | |
| Erwin Coumans | Jan 7, 2012 9:07 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 9:10 am | |
| Erwin Coumans | Jan 7, 2012 9:23 am | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 7, 2012 9:46 am | |
| skoti | Jan 7, 2012 10:15 am | |
| Gaia Clary | Jan 7, 2012 10:34 am | |
| Knapp | Jan 7, 2012 10:34 am | |
| Erwin Coumans | Jan 7, 2012 11:15 am | |
| Alexandr Kuznetsov | Jan 7, 2012 11:32 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 12:04 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 12:06 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 12:08 pm | |
| Erwin Coumans | Jan 7, 2012 12:13 pm | |
| Sergey Kurdakov | Jan 7, 2012 12:31 pm | |
| Sebastian | Jan 7, 2012 1:22 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 2:33 pm | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 7, 2012 3:08 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 7, 2012 3:24 pm | |
| Morten Mikkelsen | Jan 7, 2012 3:36 pm | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 7, 2012 6:44 pm | |
| skoti | Jan 8, 2012 1:57 am | |
| François T. | Jan 8, 2012 3:23 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 8, 2012 3:30 pm | |
| angj...@gulftel.com | Jan 8, 2012 4:34 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 8, 2012 7:16 pm | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 8, 2012 8:39 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 8, 2012 9:36 pm | |
| Kalle-Samuli Riihikoski | Jan 8, 2012 9:54 pm | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 8, 2012 9:56 pm | |
| François T. | Jan 9, 2012 12:26 am | |
| Ton Roosendaal | Jan 9, 2012 2:43 am | |
| Sebastian | Jan 9, 2012 3:09 am | |
| Domino Marama | Jan 9, 2012 3:59 am | |
| François T. | Jan 9, 2012 5:30 am | |
| Peter Amstutz | Jan 9, 2012 5:37 am | |
| Domino Marama | Jan 9, 2012 5:50 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 9, 2012 6:07 am | |
| Sebastian | Jan 9, 2012 7:22 am | |
| Domino Marama | Jan 9, 2012 7:53 am | |
| spatial | Jan 9, 2012 2:52 pm | |
| Sebastian | Jan 9, 2012 3:25 pm | |
| Antony Riakiotakis | Jan 9, 2012 3:33 pm | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 9, 2012 3:37 pm | |
| Campbell Barton | Jan 9, 2012 4:19 pm | |
| Ton Roosendaal | Jan 10, 2012 2:14 am | |
| johannes amorosa | Jan 10, 2012 3:29 am | |
| spatial | Jan 10, 2012 3:57 am | |
| François T. | Jan 10, 2012 5:57 am | |
| Erwin Coumans | Jan 10, 2012 6:30 am | |
| Gaia Clary | Jan 10, 2012 7:45 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 10, 2012 1:47 pm | |
| Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com | Jan 10, 2012 1:52 pm | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 10, 2012 2:39 pm | |
| Ton Roosendaal | Jan 11, 2012 2:05 am | |
| Sebastian | Jan 11, 2012 11:59 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 11, 2012 7:26 pm | |
| Juha Mäki-Kanto | Jan 14, 2012 12:27 pm | |
| Juha Mäki-Kanto | Jan 15, 2012 3:21 am | |
| Juan Linietsky | Jan 15, 2012 6:10 am | |
| Sebastian | Jan 15, 2012 6:23 am | |
| Juha Mäki-Kanto | Jan 15, 2012 11:37 am | |
| Peter Amstutz | Jan 17, 2012 1:43 pm | |
| Stephen Swaney | Jan 17, 2012 6:27 pm |
| Subject: | Re: [Bf-committers] Collada importer/exporter kickout | |
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| From: | Campbell Barton (idea...@gmail.com) | |
| Date: | Jan 4, 2012 7:56:04 pm | |
| List: | org.blender.bf-committers | |
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Sergey Sharybin <serg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
As everybody noticed current collada importer/exporter is very buggy which seems to make this format almost useless in Blender. And what's much worse -- we don't actually have developer who maintains this area.
We discussed this already with Campbell and found that OpenCollada itself isn't actually maintaning -- there are only few commits in several months. Ofcourse it doesn't mean this library is useless and all bug from our tracker is related on that issues, but still.. Maybe the time have come to re-think this importer/exporter (investigate if it's possible to fix issues in clear way, check if design is good enough -- not sure, haven't touched this code deep myself)?
Here's our proposal: - Move all collada-related issues into it's own tracker. Like it was done with BGE, it might help finding volunteer to fix them. Also, people will see that it's not actually core stuff and that it's community-supported. - Disable collada in release builds. It's not useable and only seems to be making artists disappointed.
More optimistic targets would be find volunteer to pick up this stuff who will make it usable (maybe rewritting this stuff from scratch..)
-- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin
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+1 for immediate creation of Collada tracker and move collada bugs there (can help with this, it worked well for BMesh).
Other topics can be postponed closer to release, though I'd expect 2.62 would include collada, perhaps we could set some target for the Collada tracker & call for developers to help out, or disable by default (actual code removal can be checked on much later if we want to phase out or move to something else).
My own experience with trying to fix collada bugs has not been great - the few issues I ran into were either very hard to debug or bugs in opencollada (which I forwarded to the collada tracker) - just to say that ~5 or so times I seriously tried to fix some of our collada bugs and didn't get far.
Maybe this is just bad luck or that I'm not familier enough in this area, however with our other formats I help maintain - X3D, FBX, 3DS, OBJ - we're mostly able to keep the tracker at 0 and have a good history with users submitting fixes when they run into issues or want better support for features.
OpenCollada issue tracker is at ~95, and only had a few commits in last months. http://code.google.com/p/opencollada/issues/list http://code.google.com/feeds/p/opencollada/svnchanges/basic
Since its useful to have basic mesh support for google earth for eg - just loading models, I'd be happy to write a python addon to support collada - basic meshes/uvs/vcols and materials - this could be the basis for others to add deeper support for the format too.
-- - Campbell
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