On 9/2/05, CONNER, BRENDAN (SBCSI) <bc1...@sbc.com> wrote:

Hmm ... the following link works just fine for me:

http://struts.apache.org/shale/

Even if that doesn't work, nightly builds are available at:

http://cvs.apache.org/builds/struts/nightly/struts-shale/

And, I know I'm missing something here, but don't most people initialize

That is certainly a common technique for things cached at application or session scope ... for things needed just for the current request, it's a little more convenient (and maintainable) to deliberately acquire all the data you need for the current renderng -- which will possibly depend on dynamic state information from the current request.

The other thing that makes this approach attractive is you don't have to have as deep an understanding of what a "getter" does, or the fact that it might be called more than once. This makes Java and JSF more accessible to people coming from other programming environments that do not emphasize the object orientedness that we all know and love about the language itself.

I'll definitely look into shale, though. It sounds interesting.

Try it, you'll like it :-).

- Brendan

Craig