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Tim EllisonOct 29, 2011 2:03 am 
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Niclas HedhmanNov 3, 2011 5:37 pm 
Subject:Re: [Vote] Move Apache Harmony to the Attic
From:Niclas Hedhman (nic@hedhman.org)
Date:Nov 3, 2011 3:02:33 am
List:org.apache.harmony.dev

I don't get the "stole from free software developers" reference, as I wasn't watching it...

Not sure why you think PD is more "free" than ALv2. Perhaps because PD would allow submarining patented technology into a contribution and then sue the users of it for patent infringement? ALv2 prohibits such "freedom", and it is this paradox that creates one of the ALv2 incompatibility issues with GPLv2 (but not in v3 since patents are explicitly spelled out there). Maybe you are eager to get hold of the "Harmony" name, which Apache is unlikely to "hand over" easily (see iBatis->MyBatis and HiveMind->Gaderian as examples)? What other "freedom" do you seek? Hypothetical abstractions are not well received in the legal corners of ASF....

I think this is not a PMC issue but a Board issue (there is a policy that all PMCs MUST use ALv2 for created code), and I doubt they will consider your request after consulting Legal Counsel.

Cheers Niclas

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM, johann Sorel <sore@inbox.com> wrote:

Hello,

You are right, if they want they can use it with this license but still it's a
source of problems. we have plenty of different licenses out there, MIT, BSD,
GPL ... and some more license we surely be created in the futur, mixing them is
not always fun. All of them are not fully compatible. Legal problems are
something really dirty when you encounter them, noone working on open-source
projects want to have such problems.

The apache license is ~more or less~ fine today (everyone has it's own
preference), but might become a problem later. To avoid those problems the
change can only be done now while the PMC is still here.

Setting it in public domain can also make it revive, forks can start much more
easely from it. Several JVM have ~dyed~ (or are in lawsuit like google dalvik,
android) in the last year. Having a few more vm out there would be for the best,
specialy if they are already reliable alternatives like harmony.

Johann Sorel

-----Original Message----- From: clra@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:48:10 +0800 To: de@harmony.apache.org, mela@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vote] Move Apache Harmony to the Attic

Hi, As my understanding, if anyone (inlcuding students) want to use Harmony or contribute to Harmony. There is no limitation with the Apache license.

Correct me, if I am wrong.

Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Melan Nimesh <mela@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM, johann Sorel <sore@inbox.com> wrote:

Hello,

I'm intruding again, before moving it to the attic and while the PMC is still alive. maybe you could consider moving the project under public domain for the benefit of other vm, student and university works ? and android by the way (even if I'm not fan of it).

+1 for moving the project under public domain

Mail from last year : http://harmony.markmail.org/message/bzifm5jshpviyyzz?q=public+domain

This will allow other project with bsd-like, mit, ...etc... licenses to reuse parts of harmony more easely. Don't let all this work go to waste.

See it as a gift to the community :) .

johann sorel

-----Original Message----- From: mikh@gmail.com Sent: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:54:28 +0400 To: de@harmony.apache.org Subject: Re: [Vote] Move Apache Harmony to the Attic

+1

Sadly, but indeed there are no activity in the project for months...

On 11/2/11, Alex Blewitt <alex@gmail.com> wrote:

+1

Sorry to see it go but with the history and lack of sponsorship (commercial or otherwise), the project has probably drawn to a close.

On 29 Oct 2011, at 10:03, Tim Ellison wrote:

Please vote on the proposal to move Apache Harmony to the Apache Attic.

[+1] Move Harmony to the Attic [ 0] Don't care [-1] Don't move Harmony to the Attic.

The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.

Thanks, Tim

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