7 messages in org.oasis-open.lists.cmisRe: [cmis] Re: Note on CMIS utilizing...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Al Brown | Apr 15, 2009 9:16 am | |
| Julian Reschke | Apr 15, 2009 10:13 am | |
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| Julian Reschke | Apr 15, 2009 11:55 am | |
| Al Brown | Apr 15, 2009 12:56 pm | .gif, .gif |
| Julian Reschke | Apr 16, 2009 2:57 am | |
| Al Brown | Apr 16, 2009 9:43 am | .gif, .gif |
| Subject: | Re: [cmis] Re: Note on CMIS utilizing COPY and MOVE verbs | |
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| From: | Al Brown (albe...@us.ibm.com) | |
| Date: | Apr 15, 2009 12:56:25 pm | |
| List: | org.oasis-open.lists.cmis | |
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Sure, that's the APP behavior, but APP is designed for posting items to news feeds, not for document management. So what I wanted to know what *CMIS* assumes.
Sure - CMIS Domain model provides/specifies: - addObjectToFolder(object, folder) - removeObjectFromFolder(object, folder) - moveObject(object, targetFolder[, sourceFolder])
REST App binding (currently) specifies:
- CMIS Folder is modeled as an APP Collection for folder-membership/containment - CMIS Objects (Folder, document, relationship, policy) are modelled as Atom Entries
- POST of an Atom Entry document to APP Collection is: - (if no cmis:objectId) createDocument/Folder/Relationship based on Atom Entry - If post of something besides atom entry, createDocument with default values with default document class - (if valid cmis:objectId) addObjectToFolder - adds object POST'ed to the collection (folder) - Optionally if removeFrom is specified, also remove the specified object from specified folder
Nothing in the CMIS rest binding has collection-local names. Nothing in the CMIS Domain model as folder-local names. CMIS domain model only provides properties on an object, not properties on an object in a particular folder.
removeObjectFromFolder?
How is that a problem?
How can this be expressed with COPY/MOVE? MOVE - Add in Source-Collection header? COPY - Add in RemoveFrom-Collection header?
By defining a precondition code that can be sent back if Destination-Collection is absent, and by defining a new WebDAV feature to be returned in the "DAV" response header.
COPY and MOVE verbs to me do not sound like a good fit. And to get them to work, it sounds like way too much effort - DAV header, new RFC most likely, potentially other parts of DAV, etc.
Also, getting the required tooling to support the updated COPY/MOVE for CMIS seems problematic. Especially, if we want AJAX apps to be able to provide these functions. Not all JS clients can specify headers on POST.
I think it would be simpler to leave as-is or POST a new document type (application/cmis-copyrequest, application/cmis-moverequest) to a specific collection and a request resource created from that. However, the latter proposal is very RPCish messaging style in a RESTish pattern.
-Al
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From: Julian Reschke <juli...@greenbytes.de>
To: Al Brown/Costa Mesa/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: cm...@lists.oasis-open.org
Date: 04/15/2009 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [cmis] Re: Note on CMIS utilizing COPY and MOVE verbs
Al Brown wrote:
Is the assumption that the server will assign the collection-local
name?
That is the APP behavior - After POST, Content-Location header is returned with the location of the [new] resource [in that collection]. The server may specify the new location as a collection-local name. Or it may not. The FileNet prototype does not use collection-local names, but rather bases the URI off of the underlying object id.
Sure, that's the APP behavior, but APP is designed for posting items to news feeds, not for document management. So what I wanted to know what *CMIS* assumes.
If we wanted to use COPY/MOVE, we'd need an extension (such as "Destination-Collection" instead of "Destination"). On the other hand, we could standardize the "Allow-Rename" header (<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa142703(EXCHG.65).aspx>), which apparently is already supported in some Microsoft products.
I would prefer Destination-Collection. However, how do we advertise to clients that COPY/MOVE does not support Destination but Destination-Collection header? Also, how do we map
By defining a precondition code that can be sent back if Destination-Collection is absent, and by defining a new WebDAV feature to be returned in the "DAV" response header.
removeObjectFromFolder?
How is that a problem?
We could either add a new header (e.g., removeFrom) or a new verb. However, I do not get a warm feeling from this approach so far. I think it would be cleaner to have new verbs or have those verbs clarified in an rfc for this use case first.
Of course, whatever is needed here should be done in the IETF Apps Area.
BR, Julian
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