|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 8:44 am|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 2:10 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 3:59 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 4:12 pm|
|Terry Lambert||May 30, 2002 4:16 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 4:31 pm|
|Andre Oppermann||May 30, 2002 4:40 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 4:46 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 30, 2002 4:53 pm|
|Terry Lambert||May 30, 2002 6:04 pm|
|Terry Lambert||May 30, 2002 6:08 pm|
|Mike Barcroft||May 30, 2002 6:09 pm|
|Andrew Reilly||May 30, 2002 6:31 pm|
|Dag-Erling Smorgrav||May 30, 2002 11:48 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 31, 2002 2:27 am|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 31, 2002 2:31 am|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 31, 2002 2:50 am|
|Terry Lambert||May 31, 2002 1:55 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 31, 2002 2:46 pm|
|Terry Lambert||May 31, 2002 3:50 pm|
|Gordon Tetlow||May 31, 2002 4:04 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 31, 2002 4:29 pm|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||May 31, 2002 4:33 pm|
|Terry Lambert||Jun 1, 2002 12:24 am|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||Jun 1, 2002 2:54 am|
|Wes Peters||Jun 1, 2002 8:58 am|
|Wes Peters||Jun 1, 2002 9:09 am|
|Daniel Blankensteiner||Jun 1, 2002 10:18 am|
|Cy Schubert - CITS Open Systems Group||Jun 2, 2002 9:30 am|
|Wes Peters||Jun 3, 2002 4:18 pm|
|Andrew Reilly||Jun 11, 2002 11:36 pm|
|Subject:||Re: FreeBSD daemon configurations redesign|
|From:||Wes Peters (we...@softweyr.com)|
|Date:||Jun 1, 2002 8:58:16 am|
Terry Lambert wrote:
Daniel Blankensteiner wrote:
From: "Andre Oppermann" <oppe...@pipeline.ch>
Daniel, Terry, whoever,
Please move this discussion from -arch to -chat. F'upt set.
Is this not the right group to dissuss the FreeBSD design? freebsd-chat is certainly not. Then tell me, if I want to create a debate about changing /etc where do I write to?
He was being less polite than I was.
Perhaps in setting follups to chat he was. In asking you to move a system architecture discussion to -arch, he was just trying to keep the noise level on -developers down.
He's saying he likes things just fine the way they are, and so there's no need to discuss them.
I'm saying that this has been discussed to death, the conclusion is a given, and that Eric Melville and others are already on it, so you should either get with them, or look at the archives to see how your discussion will end.
People used to say that about the rc system also, and one of these days we're going to actually have the lukem rc system imported and working, with improvements no less. The conclusion of the rc "discussions" always drew was that the SysV init system was too weak to bother moving to. Luke finally came up with something that is demonstrably better, and implemented it in NetBSD. The work to import it to FreeBSD has been slow, but it is happening, and it is enough of an improvement to bother with.
So, the bar for your design has been set. Is breaking up the system configuration into all those little bitty files really an improvement?
Discuss how this will improve the system, rather than just calling the existing implementation "not designed" and flinging around a few directory trees. Tell us why and how this will improve the system, how it will interact with SNMP or something like that, etc. Give us a reason to believe, other than "it's better because Daniel designed it." Some of the people who developed the existing system weren't complete buffoons, you know.
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