| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Fabio Ferronato-Armet s.p.a. | Jun 12, 2010 4:12 am | |
| Roberto Cisternino | Jun 13, 2010 2:14 pm | |
| Arianna Brutti | Jun 21, 2010 3:36 am | |
| Fabio Ferronato-Armet s.p.a. | Jun 25, 2010 9:34 am | |
| Roberto Cisternino | Jun 28, 2010 11:49 am | |
| Fabio Ferronato-Armet s.p.a. | Oct 11, 2010 7:40 am | |
| Roberto Cisternino | Oct 11, 2010 1:20 pm |
| Subject: | Re: [ubl-dev] questions about DespatchAdvice for an Implementation in Italy (Delivery note for worked component/DDT Reso da conto lavorazione) | |
|---|---|---|
| From: | Roberto Cisternino (robe...@javest.com) | |
| Date: | Jun 28, 2010 11:49:54 am | |
| List: | org.oasis-open.lists.ubl-dev | |
Dear Fabio,
the semantic meaning and original function of the despatch advice are related to the advice of despatch of goods not services.
All of these terms are related to an "electronic delivery note":
- Despatch Advice - Ship Notice - Advance Ship Notice ("ASN")
P.S. Anyway this is not exaclty a transport document like the waybill...
The italian DDT example you reported is always related to goods even if transported due to a work order.
The codelist you could use is the following as it is well supported in Italy by the ANGAISA consortium.
In the future this and other codelists could be governed by a national cross industry consortium.
At this stage this is my suggestion:
100 Vendita 200 Reso da accreditare 210 Reso c/riparazione 220 Reso c/lavorazione 230 Reso c/sostituzione 240 Reso c/sostituzione in garanzia 300 In conto visione
Best regards
UBL ITLSC co-chair Roberto Cisternino
Hi Arrianna, thank you for the list. I checked it, but I was not able to find what I am searching for. I guess maybe this is the first time anybody has this problem !?
I mean, maybe up to know UBL ( and any EDI ) has been used only in case of selling goods, not for some kind of processing( paiting, chroming, welding...). This means, all despatch advices were meant to be of "sell" type.
I'll try to search some more on the EDIFACT documentation, but I think I will have to set up my own code list :-/
regards
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Arianna Brutti <aria...@enea.it>wrote:
Good morning Mr Ferronato,
UBL specification doesn't recomend a code list for the Despatch Advice Type Code.
My suggestion is to check if the UN/ECE 1001 code list could be useful for your purpose:
http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/d00a/tred/tred1001.htm
Important: remember to specify the code list you are using by the attribute listID, etc. ...
Best regards
Arianna Brutti
il Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:14:51 +0200 (CEST) "Roberto Cisternino" <robe...@javest.com> ha scritto:
Dear Mr. Ferronato,
maybe you could be interested into UBL ITLSC (Italian Localization Subcommittee) which is available in Italy since 2006.
By the way, if you need an advanced DDT I would suggest the UBL WayBill which is intended for international transport (lettera di vettura), this way you will be sure all your data will be supported.
You are right about the "Despatch Advice Type Code" but many code list in UBL are just a place holder, thus are not provided with the Standard.
In fact codelists are decoupled from the document model and this provides more robust and extensible business documents.
You can use a local (national) codelist, or you can agree a codelist with your partners. I suggest to contact the UBL ITLSC co-chair "aria...@enea.it" that could be aware of an existing codelists implemented into other italian UBL adoptions.
Best regards
UBL ITLSC co-chair Roberto Cisternino
Hi All,
I work in a middle sized Italian company and I would like to use UBL for exchanging data with our suppliers. All examples/documentation about UBL seem to talk about "selling" goods. In my implementation instead we need to exchange data with suppliers that do some working on the components that we send to them.
The first document that I would like to implement is the Delivery Note (Italian: DDT or Documento Di Trasporto). I was able to map *NEARLY* all data to a UBL DespatchAdvice, but there are some things that I am not able to find and are:
[list begin] - date of starting shipment: I am not able to find it. Even in the section Consigment There is already a field "issue Date" but I use it to indicate when the delivery note was issued. The real start of shipment is in many cases the day after
- price: Typically it is *NOT* shown on the Delivery Note, but however I would like to have it here. Is there any field for it ?
- kind of delivery note: Some of our suppliers sell us goods (part of chairs) or we send them some row material, they work it and then send it us back
In the first case the delivery note is type "sell" [Italian: DDT di vendita] In the second case the delivery note is type "work" (proper English terminology?) [however in Italian is DDT *Reso* da conto *lavorazione*]. There are also many other kinds of delivery note.Where can I set this in the DespatchAdvice ? I think in the Despatch Advice Type Code, but where can I find a standard list of possible values ?
[list end]
Here below I write a typical example.
Involved companies are: A-c.h.a.i.r.s.-corp B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc C-p.a.i.t.i.n.g.-corp
Company "A-c.h.a.i.r.s.-corp" wants to produce some metal chairs and cuts some metal tubes, which are sent to "B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc", where they have to be welded together.
Then "B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc" welds together the tubes and produce a chair metal frame. The metal frames are sent to "C-p.a.i.t.i.n.g.-corp" to be painted in black.
Company "A-c.h.a.i.r.s.-corp" would like to know rapidly how many chair metal frames have been sent from "B-w.e.l.d.i.n.g.s.-inc" to "C-p.a.i.t.i.n.g.-corp"
using a DespatchAdvice UBL document.
thank you in advance for helping with the 3 fields and for any other comments,
Fabio Ferronato Armet s.p.a. -ITALY-
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