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35 messages in com.redhat.fedora-listRe: Problem booting after Yum update ...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 4:00 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Nov 27, 2005 5:28 pm | |
| Michael A. Peters | Nov 27, 2005 6:41 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 7:04 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 7:15 pm | |
| Rey Cruz | Nov 27, 2005 7:31 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Nov 27, 2005 7:42 pm | |
| Neil Cherry | Nov 27, 2005 8:58 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 9:10 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Nov 27, 2005 9:26 pm | |
| Min Chen | Nov 27, 2005 9:46 pm | |
| Michael A. Peters | Nov 28, 2005 12:17 am | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Nov 28, 2005 4:53 am | |
| John Summerfied | Nov 28, 2005 5:35 am | |
| Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV | Nov 28, 2005 6:41 am | |
| Hans Müller | Nov 28, 2005 8:46 am | |
| Neil Cherry | Nov 28, 2005 5:10 pm | |
| John Summerfied | Nov 28, 2005 9:36 pm | |
| Min Chen | Dec 1, 2005 3:32 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Dec 1, 2005 6:16 pm | |
| Min Chen | Dec 1, 2005 9:25 pm | |
| David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) | Dec 1, 2005 10:04 pm | |
| Tony Foster | Dec 1, 2005 11:09 pm | |
| Min Chen | Dec 3, 2005 10:36 pm | |
| Hans Müller | Dec 4, 2005 12:49 am | |
| James Wilkinson | Dec 5, 2005 1:26 pm | |
| Tony Foster | Dec 5, 2005 4:15 pm | |
| Tim | Dec 6, 2005 4:10 am | |
| James Wilkinson | Dec 8, 2005 12:20 am | |
| Tim | Dec 8, 2005 7:59 am | |
| Mike McCarty | Dec 8, 2005 8:37 am | |
| Tony Foster | Dec 8, 2005 9:20 am | |
| James Wilkinson | Dec 8, 2005 9:37 am | |
| Mike McCarty | Dec 8, 2005 11:03 am | |
| Tim | Dec 9, 2005 2:51 am |
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| Subject: | Re: Problem booting after Yum update of FC4 | Actions... |
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| From: | Tim (igno...@yahoo.com.au) | |
| Date: | Dec 8, 2005 7:59:17 am | |
| List: | com.redhat.fedora-list | |
someone suggested:
Try "ping google.com" for several hours, and see how many packets you drop.
Tim:
I hope you don't mean continuously. That would constitute abuse.
James Wilkinson:
That's a fairly harsh definition of abuse you've got.
They've made the ping service available in the same way as they make the HTTP service available. Accessing Google's web pages once a second would not be OTT for a suitably busy site.
What makes you think that Google has provided you with a ping responder? Many systems respond to ping, but that's often a default behaviour, most of them won't have deliberately provided you with something for doing ping tests with. It's a bit like saying most ISPs will let spam through their systems, so sending spam is okay.
I think that you'd find that many would consider such pinging to be an abuse of their services, I certainly would.
Continuous pinging *is* necessary occasionally as a form of network diagnostic: it tells the network administrator whether (and in conjunction with traceroute, where) to complain about network timeouts.
Fair enough, but do such things with the consent of the equipment owners. If you're testing your equipment, do so against someone that doesn't mind it.
I selected Google partly because of the size and capacity of their servers and network connections.
I don't think I'm abusing Google. I'm using the facilities they make available in the way they're supposed to be used. And I'm not taking anywhere *near* unreasonably large amounts of resources to do so.
As before, what makes you think that Google has provided you with a ping responder for such tests?
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