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| Subject: | Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names | |
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| From: | Bradley Boyle (bbo...@email.arizona.edu) | |
| Date: | Feb 24, 2012 11:19:05 am | |
| List: | edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacom | |
Hi all,
This sub-thread about what to call the "parts" of a taxon name highlights yet
another confusing disconnect between the languages of botany and zoology. I
spend part of my time working on biodiversity informatics projects involving
both botanists and zoologists. You would not believe the unproductive coding
errors this little difference in terminology has caused.
Frank, as Richard points out, what you call "common language" is not common at
all in botany. The dependent parts of taxon names, meaning strings which are
meaningless in themselves unless paired with the name of the parent taxon, are
epithets. Hence:
Poa annua (species name), annua (specific epithet)
Heliomeris longifolia var. annua (varietal name), annua (infraspecific epithet,
or more precisely, varietal epithet)
In botany, it is not only confusing but simply incorrect to call an epithet a
"species", "species name" or "specific name". This distinction is widely
understood among botanists; confusion between the two is essentially nonexistent
in my experience.
I know the ICBN and ICZN are officially independent, but there are times when I
think it would benefit everyone to standardize at least some of our terminology.
Cheers, Brad
On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:00 AM, taxa...@mailman.nhm.ku.edu wrote:
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:21:28 -0600 From: "Richard Zander" <Rich...@mobot.org> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names To: <Fran...@dmns.org>, <ki...@kimvdlinde.com>, <fwel...@gwdg.de> Cc: taxa...@mailman.nhm.ku.edu Message-ID: <F96F...@MBGMail01.mobot.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
We botanists use "specific epithet" for the last word of the binomen. A species
name is a binomen.
???
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Richard H. Zander
Missouri Botanical Garden, PO Box 299, St. Louis, MO 63166-0299 USA
Web sites: http://www.mobot.org/plantscience/resbot/ and
http://www.mobot.org/plantscience/bfna/bfnamenu.htm
Modern Evolutionary Systematics Web site:
http://www.mobot.org/plantscience/resbot/21EvSy.htm
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From: taxa...@mailman.nhm.ku.edu
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:05 PM
To: ki...@kimvdlinde.com; fwel...@gwdg.de
Cc: taxa...@mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names
Well, Drosophila melanogaster (or Sophophora melanogaster) IS the species name. melanogaster is the specific name
I see no advantage to re-define what is even used in common language.
Frank
Dr Frank T. Krell Curator of Entomology Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee Department of Zoology Denver Museum of Nature & Science 2001 Colorado Boulevard Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA Fran...@dmns.org Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244 Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492 http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
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