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Subject:Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs
From:marius schebella (mari@gmail.com)
Date:Feb 17, 2009 2:53:52 pm
List:at.iem.pd-dev

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, marius schebella wrote:

eventually, I think users should not have to bother with namespaces at all. I still consider namespace declarations in a visual dataflow programming tool to be a hack.

So, why is it that it is a hack in the context of a visual dataflow programming language

because I think the concept of a visual dataflow programming language should be to provide a developer environment to people who don't necessarily have a programming background. think of html code, imagine you have to declare every h1, a, bold, ul... tag, before you can use it. as a pd user I really don't want to go into that level of complexity.

and, I presume that you mean that non-visual and/or non-dataflow programming languages are somehow different?

most text based libraries either come with a fixed set of libraries or ship the library with the code, or ship a binary. as a pd programmer I only want to ship patches and abstractions. (and content like pics etc....).

I'd say that declarations are annoying in any language, and fully-qualified names are annoying in any language, but with some languages and editors it's easier to handle it than in some others, and in some it annoys more than in others.

I am sure this would be less of a problem, if the current setup (pd version, library version, startup settings) would just automatically be added to every patch. although... nah, maybe this is not a good solution.

Do you mean namespace declarations in particular, or namespaces in general including full-qualified names, or do you just mean the latter, or just long names in general?

namespaces in particular with pd. not in general.

cheers, marius.

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