atom feed59 messages in org.apache.incubator.cloudstack-marketingRe: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
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Noah SlaterMay 22, 2013 12:54 pm 
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Subject:Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
From:kel...@backbonetechnology.com (kel@backbonetechnology.com)
Date:May 24, 2013 2:23:15 am
List:org.apache.incubator.cloudstack-marketing

Sebastien,

I completely agree, and that's why many on the marketing channel often have
friction with core developers. The corporate side of me says plaster it
everywhere, free advertisement, co-op marketing efforts, put CloudStack in
everyones hands...

But I have tried over the last year to learn why this and other OSS communities
don't like to operate in that way.

I now have a moral dilemma... Should I try and work with others to bend the
community into a more sales/product ecosystem driven approach, or temper myself
to the dev-centric code-first OSS neutrality mentality.

I honestly am starting to feel that is this were a vote I would vote +0, even
though I put months of my time into this book, lol.

I am going to shift my position back to observation on this thread.

Sent from my HTC

----- Reply message ----- From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <run@gmail.com> To: <mark@cloudstack.apache.org> Subject: Packt Book - Publish on our website? Date: Fri, May 24, 2013 1:20 AM

On May 23, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Kelcey Jamison Damage <kel@bbits.ca> wrote:

Fair enough, I was hoping to get a sense for those that are opposed to the
summary, and the reason why.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah Slater" <nsla@apache.org> To: mark@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:27:39 AM Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

I don't think we have consensus on this.

On 23 May 2013 19:25, Kelcey Jamison Damage <kel@bbits.ca> wrote:

Ok,

To summarize it looks like we all want to have 3rd party resources available, we want to ensure the content of those resources reflects properly on the project, and the wiki sounds like the best way to do it and stay neutral.

Does every one agree with this so far?

I don't think the wiki is the best place. It's a great thing to have books about
CloudStack and we should feature them prominently. We could mention on the website something like: "Listing these books does not
mean that the Apache project endorses them"

FWIW, I feel the same about the case studies, the wiki is not the best place for
them.

However, if you all feel the wiki is the best place, I won't fight it.

-Sebastien

Thanks

----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah Slater" <nsla@apache.org> To: mark@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:21:31 AM Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

If things are done on the wiki, it would be clear that this is a community resource, and not an official project recommendation. We always have the option of removing something that is obviously spammy, or low-quality, etc.

On 23 May 2013 18:48, Sebastien Goasguen <run@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 23, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Noah Slater <nsla@apache.org> wrote:

Book review is very costly. Several days, to weeks, depending how thorough you are, and how much free time you have, etc. Do we really want to introduce this sort of bottleneck?

When I commented earlier I was not thinking of putting any hard barriers like committer status.

I was merely thinking about books that can be written in couple days, with very poor english, terrible formatting and that could be out of scope despite a "cloudstack" title. We don't want those books listed anywhere.

A blanket approval for listing books is not a good idea, we need a minimal sanity check.

-sebastien

On 23 May 2013 16:27, Musayev, Ilya <imus@webmd.net> wrote:

Perhaps we can revisit the thought of making it commiter written VS comitters reviewed.

As error safeguard measure it would make sense if have at least 3 commiters review the publication.

Reason being, while many of us are comitters, some of us maybe more competent in some areas of ACS and less on the other. Therefore if we have several comitters review the publication, we minimize the error posibilty. if i was to make an example, i've spent alot of time building private clouds that would suit traditional enterprises, i may not be an expert on designing web hosting shops (just yet).

Obviously exclusions apply, if someone have spent many years as a core ACS architect and developer - he may not need several commiters to review the publication - though it would not hurt.

The commiters who will be reviewing publication must notify the community via mailing list. If there are points of uncertainty, the should be brought on ML as well.

-------- Original message -------- From: Noah Slater <nsla@apache.org> Date: To: mark@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

On 23 May 2013 05:05, John Kinsella <jl@stratosec.co> wrote:

On May 22, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz@zonker.net> wrote:

Books authored by committers might be a good metric.

+1

I think this is exclusionary. As Kelcey points out, there's a high probability that some of the best books on CloudStack are not written by committers.

On 23 May 2013 07:06, Sebastien Goasguen <run@gmail.com> wrote:

Let me put it bluntly. IMHO wiki pages are a death sentence, nobody will find that information. If it's not featured on the website then there is no point talking about it.

Blunt, but hyperbolic. ;) If you really feel so strongly about the wiki, you should propose that we shut it down. ;)

The wiki is a community resource, and we should embrace that, and encourage that.

If you're concerned that people visiting the main website will not notice, and will never find, a page that lists third-party resources, then I suggest a patch that provides a link in the nav saying "third-party resources" and link it to the wiki.