107 messages in org.apache.communityRe: Rules for Revolutionaries| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Rodent of Unusual Size | 07 Nov 2002 09:27 | |
| Costin Manolache | 07 Nov 2002 12:39 | |
| Rich Bowen | 08 Nov 2002 04:35 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 08 Nov 2002 09:06 | |
| Sam Ruby | 08 Nov 2002 13:49 | |
| Costin Manolache | 08 Nov 2002 14:04 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 08 Nov 2002 14:46 | |
| Costin Manolache | 08 Nov 2002 15:11 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 08 Nov 2002 15:48 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 08 Nov 2002 16:02 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 08 Nov 2002 16:56 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 08 Nov 2002 17:02 | |
| Martin van den Bemt | 08 Nov 2002 17:13 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 08 Nov 2002 17:48 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 08 Nov 2002 17:50 | |
| James Taylor | 08 Nov 2002 17:56 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 08 Nov 2002 17:57 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 08 Nov 2002 18:04 | |
| Sam Ruby | 08 Nov 2002 18:16 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 08 Nov 2002 18:37 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 08 Nov 2002 18:40 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 00:29 | |
| Jeff Turner | 09 Nov 2002 02:44 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 03:26 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:13 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:25 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 09 Nov 2002 04:27 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:31 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:35 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 09 Nov 2002 04:36 | |
| Danny Angus | 09 Nov 2002 04:39 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:50 | |
| Martin van den Bemt | 09 Nov 2002 05:21 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 06:28 | |
| Costin Manolache | 09 Nov 2002 08:49 | |
| Sam Ruby | 09 Nov 2002 09:29 | |
| Costin Manolache | 09 Nov 2002 10:23 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 10:49 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 10:58 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 12:32 | |
| James Duncan Davidson | 09 Nov 2002 15:29 | |
| James Duncan Davidson | 09 Nov 2002 15:37 | |
| Chuck Murcko | 09 Nov 2002 18:07 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 10 Nov 2002 05:29 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 10 Nov 2002 06:21 | |
| James Duncan Davidson | 10 Nov 2002 09:14 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 11 Nov 2002 19:05 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 11 Nov 2002 19:26 | |
| Sam Ruby | 11 Nov 2002 19:41 | |
| Jeff Turner | 11 Nov 2002 19:42 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 11 Nov 2002 19:43 | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | 11 Nov 2002 21:34 | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | 11 Nov 2002 21:35 | |
| Sam Ruby | 11 Nov 2002 21:50 | |
| Jeff Turner | 11 Nov 2002 23:17 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 12 Nov 2002 07:18 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 12 Nov 2002 07:24 | |
| Martin van den Bemt | 12 Nov 2002 08:18 | |
| Joe Schaefer | 12 Nov 2002 08:19 | |
| Jeff Turner | 12 Nov 2002 08:20 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 12 Nov 2002 08:28 | |
| Henri Yandell | 12 Nov 2002 08:41 | |
| Costin Manolache | 12 Nov 2002 09:57 | |
| Costin Manolache | 12 Nov 2002 10:14 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 12 Nov 2002 11:38 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 12 Nov 2002 12:18 | |
| Glenn Nielsen | 12 Nov 2002 19:04 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 13 Nov 2002 02:23 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 03:49 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 03:55 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 04:02 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 04:20 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 13 Nov 2002 04:20 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 13 Nov 2002 06:44 | |
| Joe Schaefer | 13 Nov 2002 07:37 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 08:49 | |
| Costin Manolache | 13 Nov 2002 10:01 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 10:15 | |
| Sam Ruby | 13 Nov 2002 11:16 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 13 Nov 2002 11:44 | |
| Costin Manolache | 13 Nov 2002 12:10 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 17:37 | |
| Roy T. Fielding | 14 Nov 2002 09:54 | |
| Daniel Rall | 15 Nov 2002 14:44 | |
| Sam Ruby | 15 Nov 2002 19:28 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 15 Nov 2002 20:09 | |
| Henri Gomez | 18 Nov 2002 09:56 | |
| Henri Gomez | 18 Nov 2002 10:00 | |
| Henri Gomez | 18 Nov 2002 23:26 | |
| Subject: | Re: Rules for Revolutionaries |
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| From: | Jeff Turner (jef...@apache.org) |
| Date: | 11/11/2002 07:42:49 PM |
| List: | org.apache.community |
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:05:24AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ...
I still disagree. The rules of revolutionaries *MUST* (I repeat *MUST*!!!) protect the identity of the project more than they protect the freedom of innovation of the single developers.
More than anything else, the fact that two different codebases were *released* with the same name at the same time, pissed many people off (myself included) and created a lot of problems in the users.
Like? How many users do you see complaining because they have a choice?
Personally, I find Tomcat 4's startup time is too slow for Forrest/Cocoon development, so if it wasn't for 3.3.x, I'd be using Resin or Jetty.
The rules for revolutionaries had a bug since they didn't specify what was going to happen to the project that was overruled by the revolution.
I have a hard time believing that _users_ would be better off if 3.3 development had been forcefully stopped once Catalina was accepted.
We have to fix this in the future.
Before 'fixing', it would be good to establish if a forked Tomcat really did hurt the user base. I doubt if either of us have read enough tomcat-user mail to make a clear judgement.
--Jeff