atom feed8 messages in org.oasis-open.lists.ebsoaRe: [ebsoa] Clarification on Patterns
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Chiusano JosephMay 25, 2004 6:05 am 
David RR WebberMay 25, 2004 6:11 am 
Matthew MacKenzieMay 25, 2004 11:19 am 
Matthew MacKenzieMay 25, 2004 11:21 am 
David RR WebberMay 25, 2004 2:43 pm 
Duane NickullMay 26, 2004 1:13 am 
Matthew MacKenzieMay 26, 2004 5:11 am 
David RR WebberMay 26, 2004 6:43 am 
Subject:Re: [ebsoa] Clarification on Patterns
From:David RR Webber (dav@drrw.info)
Date:May 26, 2004 6:43:04 am
List:org.oasis-open.lists.ebsoa

Matt,

YES! +1

Thanks, DW

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mat@adobe.com> To: "'David RR Webber'" <dav@drrw.info>; "'Chiusano Joseph'" <chiu@bah.com>; "'ebSOA'" <ebs@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: RE: [ebsoa] Clarification on Patterns

The point of what I am doing is to specify a pattern with various views. I am not ruling out BPSS or UML as part of one of those views.

Architecture has to be of interest to both the builder and the patron.

-Matt

-----Original Message----- From: David RR Webber [mailto:dav@drrw.info] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:48 PM To: Matthew MacKenzie; 'Chiusano Joseph'; 'ebSOA' Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Clarification on Patterns

Matt,

Sounds like you are drinking the BCM Kool-Aid here! ; -)

BCM definately talks about the business way to go after finding patterns - while how to define those patterns is left as an exercise to the reader - domain specific.

If we are going after an illustrative approach here - that's a bit more formal than just using PPT to draw boxes and lines - then I can grok that, eh?!

Thanks, DW

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mat@adobe.com> To: "'Chiusano Joseph'" <chiu@bah.com>; "'ebSOA'" <ebs@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [ebsoa] Clarification on Patterns

Take a look at what I am proposing in the latest draft. Its not so much a pattern language as a template for describing the abstract patterns we are addressing.

Thanks, Matt

-----Original Message----- From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiu@bah.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:09 AM To: ebSOA Subject: [ebsoa] Clarification on Patterns

I'm taking a step back and re-examining our discussions on patterns that have occurred over the past several weeks, and have some questions please:

(1) I know we've said that we've decided that we would create a pattern language - is that what we *really* want? Is it too low-level (i.e. toward assembly language) for the purposes of this TC? Patterns can be conveyed without the use of a pattern language, as IBM does in their SOA Patterns redbook.

(2) What are some examples of existing pattern languages? I did not see any glaring references in any of the e-mail threads.

Thanks, Joe

-- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton