atom feed55 messages in org.freebsd.freebsd-currentRe: entropy reseeding is totally broken
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Subject:Re: entropy reseeding is totally broken
From:Mark Murray (ma@grondar.za)
Date:Oct 26, 2000 2:02:13 pm
List:org.freebsd.freebsd-current

This would be trivial, you can use the swap allocation code (example: see the VN device, dev/vn/vn.c) to reserve, read, and write the swap.

Thanks! :-)

However, I don't see much of a point in doing this. Not everyone configures swap, so you can't count on it, and a system dump will overwrite swap, so you would have to mess around with that as well and I can tell you it just isn't worth the effort. Maintaining an entropy file in /var/db has no downside at all and is a whole lot easier to manage.

There is the problem that for each setup, there are many admins who will have a non-writable filesapce for at least one of (/ /var /boot /etc).

Sure, there may not be a $PRIMARYSWAP, but if there is, it is IMO the best place to put stashed entropy.

This /dev/random stuff is a little wild -- I think the premis is sound, but you really need to look towards implementing more straightforward solutions rather then hacking up unrelated parts of the system. Forget doing special magic in the kernel. Forget using swap. Forget having ridiculously huge entropy files. Simplify it and everyone will be a whole lot happier.

:-) I'd like your suggestion a lot more if you supplied some more concrete hints. I like KISS, and current evolution is looking a little wierd. I'd enjoy seeing a true/beautiful/simple solution - patches welcome. :-)

M

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