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37 messages in org.kde.kde-core-develRe: Global Shortcuts| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Michael Jansen | Mar 16, 2008 7:49 pm | |
| Aaron J. Seigo | Mar 16, 2008 9:26 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 2:09 am | |
| David Faure | Mar 17, 2008 2:31 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 17, 2008 5:21 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 17, 2008 5:29 am | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 6:37 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 10:44 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 10:46 am | |
| Thiago Macieira | Mar 17, 2008 11:03 am | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 11:04 am | |
| Eike Hein | Mar 17, 2008 11:19 am | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 11:30 am | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 11:33 am | |
| Andras Mantia | Mar 17, 2008 11:45 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 11:54 am | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 11:59 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 12:15 pm | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 12:16 pm | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 12:18 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 12:33 pm | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 12:44 pm | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 12:58 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 2:01 pm | |
| Thiago Macieira | Mar 17, 2008 2:02 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 2:02 pm | |
| Thiago Macieira | Mar 17, 2008 2:04 pm | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 2:39 pm | |
| Olivier Goffart | Mar 17, 2008 3:28 pm | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 18, 2008 1:50 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 18, 2008 1:54 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 18, 2008 1:59 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 18, 2008 2:49 am | |
| Sven Burmeister | Mar 18, 2008 7:48 am | |
| Alex Merry | Mar 18, 2008 9:15 am | |
| Christoph Cullmann | Mar 18, 2008 12:44 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 18, 2008 2:37 pm |

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| Subject: | Re: Global Shortcuts | Actions... |
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| From: | Eike Hein (he...@kde.org) | |
| Date: | Mar 17, 2008 11:19:26 am | |
| List: | org.kde.kde-core-devel | |
Michael Jansen wrote:
No global shortcuts without my consent. Basta. A application is allowed to advertise actions it thinks are appropriate for global shortcuts, and give default values, but after starting the application the first time they arent active. It's opt-in.
There are certain types of applications that have their UI hidden by default, and rely on a global shortcut to reveal themselves. Yakuake is one, Katapult is another, one of the KDE Beagle frontends does it to, iirc. Without that short- cut, the apps aren't usable. IOW, with regard to your "those aren't apps, those are the desktop" reaction to the kwin/Plasma features: Some apps aim for a similar "it's a service of my environment" user experience.
Yakuake presently defaults its Open/Retract action to F12. At first startup, it displays a first run dialog with an info message, along with a KKeyButton that shows the glo- bal hotkey and allows changing it, which is also where the conflict checking takes place. After clicking Ok or Cancel in the first run dialog, the main window rolls out. On subsequent application startups, the main window re- mains hidden until the global shortcut is triggered to re- veal it (the shortcut is shown in a KPassivePopup in the screen corner at subsequent startups, unless it is dis- abled). The KShortcutDialog is only accessible through the main window.
Bottom line: If global shortcuts are made opt-in, that opt- in must be public API so that e.g. said first run routine can register the shortcut as active, even when the user dismisses the dialog with its default value (since the app won't be accessible without it once the window gets closed or during the next app session). If it's public API, how- ever, apps authors are going to do it anyway, pretty much screwing over the opt-in thing.
-- Regards, Eike Hein, he...@kde.org







