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| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 6:21 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 7:13 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 7:22 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 7:59 am | |
| Giovanni Tummarello | Nov 4, 2010 8:20 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 8:22 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 8:27 am | |
| Leigh Dodds | Nov 4, 2010 8:38 am | |
| William Waites | Nov 4, 2010 8:43 am | |
| Giovanni Tummarello | Nov 4, 2010 8:50 am | |
| Leigh Dodds | Nov 4, 2010 8:53 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 8:55 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 8:57 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 9:06 am | |
| Bradley Allen | Nov 4, 2010 9:06 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 9:10 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 9:13 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 9:16 am | |
| bill...@planet.nl | Nov 4, 2010 9:20 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 9:22 am | |
| Bradley Allen | Nov 4, 2010 9:25 am | |
| Harry Halpin | Nov 4, 2010 9:33 am | |
| Robin YANG | Nov 4, 2010 9:51 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 9:54 am | |
| David Wood | Nov 4, 2010 9:56 am | |
| Mike Kelly | Nov 4, 2010 10:12 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 10:13 am | |
| Patrick Durusau | Nov 4, 2010 10:17 am | |
| David Wood | Nov 4, 2010 10:24 am | |
| Patrick Durusau | Nov 4, 2010 10:36 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 4, 2010 10:51 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 11:06 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 4, 2010 11:07 am | |
| Patrick Durusau | Nov 4, 2010 11:08 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 11:18 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 11:24 am | |
| Robert Fuller | Nov 4, 2010 11:38 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 4, 2010 11:38 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 11:41 am | |
| Jörn Hees | Nov 4, 2010 11:45 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 4, 2010 11:46 am | |
| Robert Fuller | Nov 4, 2010 11:48 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 4, 2010 11:58 am | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 12:00 pm | |
| Harry Halpin | Nov 4, 2010 12:03 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 12:07 pm | |
| Jörn Hees | Nov 4, 2010 12:10 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 12:12 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 12:12 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 12:14 pm | |
| Nathan | Nov 4, 2010 12:26 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 12:36 pm | |
| David Wood | Nov 4, 2010 12:56 pm | |
| Hugh Glaser | Nov 4, 2010 12:59 pm | |
| David Wood | Nov 4, 2010 1:14 pm | |
| Nathan | Nov 4, 2010 1:22 pm | |
| Bradley Allen | Nov 4, 2010 1:40 pm | |
| Mischa Tuffield | Nov 4, 2010 2:09 pm | |
| David Booth | Nov 4, 2010 3:09 pm | |
| David Booth | Nov 4, 2010 3:11 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 3:24 pm | |
| mike amundsen | Nov 4, 2010 3:26 pm | |
| Melvin Carvalho | Nov 4, 2010 3:48 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 4:31 pm | |
| Kingsley Idehen | Nov 4, 2010 4:42 pm | |
| David Booth | Nov 4, 2010 5:41 pm | |
| mike amundsen | Nov 4, 2010 7:28 pm | |
| Leigh Dodds | Nov 5, 2010 2:28 am | |
| Michael Hausenblas | Nov 5, 2010 2:29 am | |
| Leigh Dodds | Nov 5, 2010 2:34 am | |
| Leigh Dodds | Nov 5, 2010 2:36 am | |
| Leigh Dodds | Nov 5, 2010 2:41 am | |
| William Waites | Nov 5, 2010 2:53 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 5, 2010 2:57 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 5, 2010 3:05 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 5, 2010 3:12 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 5, 2010 3:16 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 5, 2010 3:24 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 5, 2010 3:33 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 5, 2010 3:40 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 5, 2010 3:56 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 5, 2010 3:59 am | |
| Ian Davis | Nov 5, 2010 4:01 am | |
| Nathan | Nov 5, 2010 4:14 am | |
| Mischa Tuffield | Nov 5, 2010 4:47 am | |
| Norman Gray | Nov 5, 2010 5:11 am | |
| 65 later messages | ||
| Subject: | Re: Is 303 really necessary? | |
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| From: | Ian Davis (me...@iandavis.com) | |
| Date: | Nov 4, 2010 11:24:08 am | |
| List: | org.w3.public-lod | |
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Nathan <nat...@webr3.org> wrote:
You see it's not about what we say, it's about what other say, and if 10 huge corps analyse the web and spit out billions of triples saying that anything 200 OK'd is a document, then at the end when we consider the RDF graph of triples, all we're going to see is one statement saying something is a "nonInformationResource" and a hundred others saying it's a document and describing what it's about together with it's format and so on.
I honestly can't see how anything could reason over a graph that looked like that.
I honestly believe that's the least of our worries. How often do you need to determine whether something in the universe of discourse is an electronic document or not compared with all the other questions you might be asking of your data. I might conceivable ask "show me all the documents about this toucan" but I'd much rather ask "show me all the data about this toucan"
However, I'm also very aware that this all may be moot any ways, because many crawlers and HTTP agents just treat HTTP like a big black box, they don't know there ever was a 303 and don't know what the end URI is (even major browser vendors like chrome do this, setting the base wrong and everything) - so even the current 303 pattern doesn't keep different things with different names for /slash URIs in all cases.
That's true. I don't suppose any of the big crawlers care about the semantics of 303 because none of them care about the difference between a thing and its description. For example the Google OpenSocial doesn't give a hoot about the difference and yet seems to still function. As I say above, this document/thing distinction is actually quite small area to focus on compared with the the real problems of analysing the web of data as a whole.
Best,
Nathan
Ian





