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Armand TurpelFeb 14, 2012 12:41 am 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 14, 2012 1:01 pm 
Armand TurpelFeb 15, 2012 12:59 am 
Roderic PageFeb 15, 2012 1:50 am 
Paul KirkFeb 15, 2012 1:55 am 
greg whitbreadFeb 15, 2012 5:05 am 
Chris ThompsonFeb 15, 2012 8:03 am 
David PattersonFeb 15, 2012 8:07 am 
Roderic PageFeb 15, 2012 9:12 am 
Doug YanegaFeb 15, 2012 10:40 am 
Paul KirkFeb 15, 2012 10:51 am 
Roderic PageFeb 15, 2012 11:23 am 
Armand TurpelFeb 15, 2012 11:39 am 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 15, 2012 12:47 pm 
Jim CroftFeb 15, 2012 1:06 pm 
Curtis ClarkFeb 15, 2012 5:49 pm 
Tony...@csiro.auFeb 15, 2012 7:19 pm 
Roderic PageFeb 15, 2012 10:18 pm 
Jim CroftFeb 15, 2012 10:29 pm 
Armand TurpelFeb 16, 2012 5:12 am 
Roderic PageFeb 16, 2012 8:24 am 
Doug YanegaFeb 16, 2012 9:45 am 
Chuck MillerFeb 16, 2012 11:57 am 
Bradley BoyleFeb 16, 2012 2:45 pm 
Richard ZanderFeb 16, 2012 3:10 pm 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 16, 2012 3:24 pm 
Frederick W. SchuelerFeb 16, 2012 3:31 pm 
Chuck MillerFeb 16, 2012 4:14 pm 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 16, 2012 4:28 pm 
Chris ThompsonFeb 16, 2012 7:05 pm 
Kim van der LindeFeb 16, 2012 7:13 pm 
Neal EvenhuisFeb 16, 2012 7:27 pm 
Kim van der LindeFeb 16, 2012 7:38 pm 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 16, 2012 7:40 pm 
muscapaulFeb 17, 2012 12:16 am 
Dr Brian TaylorFeb 17, 2012 12:23 am 
Armand TurpelFeb 17, 2012 1:25 am 
Chris ThompsonFeb 17, 2012 7:03 am 
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Stephen ThorpeFeb 17, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Tony...@csiro.auFeb 17, 2012 2:32 pm 
Richard PyleFeb 17, 2012 2:51 pm 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 17, 2012 3:16 pm 
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Stephen ThorpeFeb 17, 2012 3:37 pm 
Richard PyleFeb 17, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Stephen ThorpeFeb 17, 2012 5:27 pm 
Curtis ClarkFeb 17, 2012 7:39 pm 
Stephen ThorpeFeb 17, 2012 8:04 pm 
Richard ZanderFeb 18, 2012 9:26 am 
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Subject:Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
From:greg whitbread (gh@anbg.gov.au)
Date:Feb 15, 2012 5:05:33 am
List:edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacom

At the global level Rod, not yet ... within the Australian context , for ALA-NSL, we have most of these services working now at http://biodiversity.org.au/services :

2 Using Tony Rees taxamatch and lucene http://biodiversity.org.au/service/taxamatch?g=Doudia&s=aspira&fmt=html http://biodiversity.org.au/service/taxamatch?g=Doodia&s=aspora&fmt=json

3 &4 http://biodiversity.org.au/taxon/Donia speciosa

5.1 http://biodiversity.org.au/name/Swainson formosa

5.2 Soon, with the help of your good self and BHL ( c. 20% linkage )

1 Is not handled gracefully. We need more data - though now providing full CoL search to catch extra-Australian taxa.

So it is possible. We just need the support to keep it moving.

greg

On 15 February 2012 20:50, Roderic Page <r.p@bio.gla.ac.uk> wrote:

But isn't it bizarre that our field can't offer the kind of service Armand is
looking for?

Very simple questions are being asked:

1. Is this a name? 2. Is this the correct way to write it? 3. Is this name currently in use? 4. What other names are related to this name (e.g., synonyms, lexical variants)? 5. Where was this name published? Can I see that publication?

Yes, there will always be edge cases, but in general these are straightforward
questions and yet we have failed to provide a simple, global tool to answer
them.

Regards

Rod

On 14 Feb 2012, at 21:02, Stephen Thorpe wrote:

Hi Armand, Your question opens a familiar "can of worms", as we say! Currently, there is no comprehensive source of validated scientific names, and
certain vagueness in some ICZN Code articles makes it unlikely that there could
ever be a robust notion of name availability. I work on Wikispecies to create something akin to what you want, except that I
try to make the names verifiable by the user, rather than just saying "you can
trust me". Hence, it involves work on the part of the user. Most users want
someone else to do the work, and to be "spoon fed" with validated names, but
this just isn't realistic ...

Cheers, Stephen

________________________________ From: Armand Turpel <arma@gmail.com> To: taxa@mailman.nhm.ku.edu Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 9:42 PM Subject: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names

Hi,

We have a database with over 80000 species taxon names which we want to compare and validate against other databases. Doing this job isn’t very easy:

1. The majority of organizations only provide web interfaces to search for single taxon names. 2. Copyrights of data are some times not very clear 3. Quality of data is doubtful. > - Lamia amputator Guérin-Méneville, 1844 - Lamia amputator Guerin-Meneville, 1844 - Lamia amputator Guérin-Méneville - …...

The only organization we know that provide its whole database for download is species2000 (catalogue of life > COL). We created a postgresql version for the COL data from which it is possible to compare a big number of taxon names in one run. Postgresql provide good fuzzy string algorithms. But the COL data isn’t error free and it isn’t complete for our region.

The question is: Which organization provide trustful, complete (as possible) and full accessible data?

a+

arm

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