9 messages in org.openoffice.marketing.devRe: [Marketing] OpenOffice.org is a f...
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Jacqueline McNallyFeb 9, 2004 3:20 am 
Edward BuckFeb 10, 2004 12:11 am 
ianFeb 10, 2004 1:08 am 
Sam HiserFeb 10, 2004 8:06 am 
Christian EinfeldtFeb 10, 2004 10:45 am 
Aaron E. KlemmFeb 10, 2004 9:06 pm 
Christian EinfeldtFeb 11, 2004 12:41 pm 
Christian EinfeldtFeb 12, 2004 2:31 pm 
Chad SmithFeb 13, 2004 5:38 am 
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Subject:Re: [Marketing] OpenOffice.org is a full featured version for the same price :)Actions...
From:Aaron E. Klemm (lis@axiomos.com)
Date:Feb 10, 2004 9:06:59 pm
List:org.openoffice.marketing.dev

What kind of audio do you have that needs to be transcribed? If you can break off a chunk, I'd be glad to help out. What do I do with it when I'm done?

Also, is there somewhere I can find out more about the movie you mentioned?

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 10:45, Christian Einfeldt wrote:

On Tuesday 10 February 2004 08:06, Sam Hiser wrote:

They wont use Linux if nobody hears about it. There's still too much conversation, among the converted. I know it's a comfort-zone, but we have limited time to influence migration. We need to speak louder and more clearly to those outside our circle.

I agree with this statement whole heartedly. Hence our movie. But we are still about 10 to 12 months away from release.

We have about 20 hours of audio tape that need to be transcribed. This means that we will need to get the audio typed into a written form, preferrably in a .sxw (OOo Writer) format. We are looking for volunteers to help out if anyone is interested! It is tedious work, though. The first hour of doing it is interesting, but after that it gets boring, so anyone who volunteers, thanks tons in advance for suffering through it!

Keep in mind, folks, that MS can give it away -- even the full-function products -- and people will still be at a huge disadvantage versus if they use products based upon open standards.

We are going to be interviewing Lawrence Lessig, author of "The Future of Ideas" later this month for the purposes of having him explain exactly that point. However, it would also be nice to have a few short clips from different people giving concrete examples of how proprietary standards make their lives worse, not better. You've all probably seen the MS commercials, "Life is better with the butterfly". Not. Also the commercials in which a kid jumps off of a bus and MS superimposes line drawings of him jumping off onto the moon in an astronaut. That particular piece was probably inspired by the Portland schools, where MS threatened to subject them to a $100,000.00 audit. That means that the school district would have had to spend $100,000.00 just to show MS that it was complying with MS's rules, and that $100,000.00 did not include any fines that MS might have levied. MS eventually backed off after there was a howl of protests. So not only did MS not get its audit, Portland schools started using Linux and OOo big time; plus MS got a rep for going after schools. Hence the misleading commercials about how good they are for schools.

So that will be a stark example of the cost of dealing with a monopoly. But we need more examples. Plus transcribers!

This is simply another example of Microsoft missing the point. Their view is so inward they will never see this. It's not about "price-cost," but about "total-cost." Purchase price is a very small portion of TC...as Microsoft themselves have been arguing.

Right. Audits. Costs for maintaining and tracking licenses. Viruses. More down time. Every where we went in the Portland public schools, the (Republican and Democratic) administrators were complaining about these additional costs. In fact, after going to Linux, these schools were typically SAVING the cost of a teacher's salary for every school of say 400 or more kids. So MS's arguments are totally disconnected from what we are learning in the field.

The rest of the cost -- or benefit, depending upon which side of the coin you choose to see -- is the massive opportunity cost of giving away freedom...again, in terms of file format access, control of your work (intellectual) property and flexibility and IT budgetary control.

Also, there is a huge advantage to having in place an IT infrastructure that does not break. Paul Nelson of the Riverdale school system has said that their system of having Linux thin clients permitted them to 1) save enough money to buy 4 mongo servers; 2) free Paul Nelson from having to work 7/8s of his day on tech, and teach 7/8s of a day, thereby preventing the Riverdale district from having to hire another teacher to teach; 3) the kids were on thin clients, and so couldn't break the terminals, as opposed to networked peer-to-peer Win boxes which the kids were hammering by putting stuff in drives, etc, which was causing lots of down time 4) the thin client boxes with monitors were only $85.00 per work station! and yet they have blazing speed because the thin clients are pushing stuff out to the thin clients at amazing speed; 5) the thin clients are running OOo, another huge savings in licenses, maintaining licenses, blah blah blah. People have to know about the success of Riverdale.

Paul Nelson and his buds have written a program which lets people install this thin client software with only 6 "yes" clicks (once the physical network of thin clients has been set up). Check it out.

http://k12linux.org/contents.html

We are not making this point impressively enough!

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 04:08, ian wrote:

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 08:11, Edward Buck wrote:

Microsoft 'preparing cut-rate Windows' [Matthew Broersma, ZDNet UK, 9 Feb 2004] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,39145664,00.htm

"The software company will begin selling a version of Windows XP with reduced functionality and price to take advantage of the software market in poor countries, a senior Microsoft executive has said"

So, I'm assuming this cut-rate Windows will not be sold in the US. Are there international trade laws against this sort of price discrimination? Are we in the US (and other "rich" countries) paying more simply because we can?

Yes. I doubt they will be able to enforce non-transfer. The reduced functionality is interesting. If its important functionality it won't get used. people will use Linux or pirate a full copy. If its not important watch the grey imports rise.