14 messages in org.css-discuss.lists.css-d[css-d] font-family font sizes
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David SharpApr 24, 2007 3:07 am 
Simon WhiteApr 24, 2007 3:30 am 
Philippe WittenberghApr 24, 2007 3:54 am 
David SharpApr 24, 2007 10:50 pm 
Jukka K. KorpelaApr 25, 2007 2:57 pm 
Philippe WittenberghApr 25, 2007 4:53 pm 
Jukka K. KorpelaMay 17, 2007 2:44 pm 
Philippe WittenberghMay 17, 2007 7:03 pm 
Bruno FassinoMay 18, 2007 4:25 am 
Jukka K. KorpelaMay 18, 2007 8:03 am 
Jukka K. KorpelaMay 28, 2007 11:07 am 
Lori LayMay 28, 2007 1:37 pm 
Jukka K. KorpelaMay 28, 2007 1:54 pm 
Philippe WittenberghMay 28, 2007 5:19 pm 
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Subject:[css-d] font-family font sizesActions...
From:Philippe Wittenbergh (@)
Date:May 17, 2007 7:03:24 pm
List:org.css-discuss.lists.css-d

On May 18, 2007, at 6:44 AM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

font-size-adjust works on the first specified font-family in the stylesheet.

You know that the value for Verdana is 0.58 [1]. You specify that. If you have 'Verdana', no problems arise, as you say. If 'Verdana' is not available, the size of the font that is actually used will be enlarged or reduced to match the aspect value of 'Verdana'.

I'm returning to this discussion we had a few weeks ago, since I learned a lot from it but did not quite get some specifics.

It seems that font-size-adjust helps in some sizing issues on Firefox 2 (Windows) and does not hurt when it does not work, so it's reasonable to use it fairly often.

Yeah, it helps readability of articles, like when you mix two font- families in the same run of text: <p> text text <code>code</code> text text</p> where code uses a monospaced font and <p> uses a sans-serif font. As you say, no damage done when the browser doesn't support font-size- adjust. And bonus points for the browser that does support it.

Moreover, the new sans-serif fonts in Vista seem to have fairly small aspect ratios, so that there will be some problems when you write, say, font-family: Calibri, Arial, sans-serif;

I haven't tested those fonts yet. I have them available for install on my OS X machines (thanks anonymous donor), but haven't had time to do more. Heard good things about them, though. --- On a slightly un-related note: may I assume that those have the full range of unicode characters available when installed on XP or Vista ? Afaik, upgrading to the latest MS Office installs those fonts. ---

The only problem I have atm is finding the aspect value for a given font. The font contains that information, but I haven't found an utility to tell me that value, nor any resource for it - especially for fonts I don't have.

This sounds like an odd situation. Are we all expected to find out such things by ourselves? I guess I can get to sufficiently accurate results by, say, using to copies of letter "x" side by side, one in Verdana in a very large font size, the other in the font being investigated. Then I can tune the font size of the latter "x" so that the x's are equally tall, and then I simply divide the font sizes and multiply the result by 0.58. But this is rather clumsy and boring.

That is the kind of exercise I've been doing on and off - kind of boring as you say. I created a two line string of text, duplicated it, and compared: p {font-family:....;} p.adjust {font-size-adjust: value;} /* start filling in values here until both paragraphs match*/

Better do this at large font-sizes to really notice differences (I used 30px and 50px). Not scientific at all, of course. Some people have been doing with illustrator+ photoshop, and counting pixels. There are a couple of hits on the first 3-4 pages when asking Uncle google.

Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh <http://emps.l-c-n.com>