|Miller Puckette||Aug 18, 2010 5:06 pm|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 19, 2010 11:18 am|
|glerm soares||Aug 19, 2010 12:16 pm|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 19, 2010 1:21 pm|
|Miller Puckette||Aug 19, 2010 1:44 pm|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 19, 2010 3:37 pm|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 19, 2010 11:30 pm|
|IOhannes m zmölnig||Aug 20, 2010 2:40 am|
|IOhannes m zmölnig||Aug 20, 2010 2:54 am|
|Matt Barber||Aug 20, 2010 8:58 am|
|IOhannes m zmölnig||Aug 20, 2010 9:26 am|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 20, 2010 11:01 am|
|IOhannes m zmölnig||Aug 20, 2010 11:54 am||.pd, .pd|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 20, 2010 12:57 pm|
|Frank Barknecht||Aug 21, 2010 12:47 am|
|Frank Barknecht||Aug 21, 2010 1:59 am|
|IOhannes zmölnig||Aug 21, 2010 9:32 am|
|IOhannes zmölnig||Aug 21, 2010 10:00 am|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 22, 2010 10:20 am|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 23, 2010 8:32 am|
|IOhannes m zmoelnig||Aug 23, 2010 9:07 am|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 23, 2010 10:10 am|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 23, 2010 8:39 pm|
|Matt Barber||Aug 23, 2010 9:40 pm|
|Frank Barknecht||Aug 23, 2010 11:45 pm|
|IOhannes m zmoelnig||Aug 23, 2010 11:57 pm|
|IOhannes m zmoelnig||Aug 24, 2010 12:04 am|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 24, 2010 8:00 am|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 24, 2010 1:16 pm|
|IOhannes m zmoelnig||Aug 25, 2010 12:13 am||.pd, .pd|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 25, 2010 10:16 am|
|IOhannes m zmoelnig||Aug 26, 2010 12:04 am|
|IOhannes m zmoelnig||Aug 26, 2010 12:18 am|
|cyrille henry||Aug 26, 2010 3:34 am|
|Jonathan Wilkes||Aug 26, 2010 10:56 am|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 30, 2010 7:01 pm|
|András Murányi||Aug 31, 2010 1:03 pm|
|Hans-Christoph Steiner||Aug 31, 2010 1:28 pm|
|Subject:||Re: [PD-dev] run-up to release 0.43|
|From:||Jonathan Wilkes (janc...@yahoo.com)|
|Date:||Aug 19, 2010 11:30:02 pm|
--- On Thu, 8/19/10, Miller Puckette <ms...@ucsd.edu> wrote:
From: Miller Puckette <ms...@ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] run-up to release 0.43 To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc...@yahoo.com> Cc: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <ha...@at.or.at>, pd-...@iem.at Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:44 PM Hi Jonathan -
I don't feel confortable with the design but don't understand the rationale for them well enough to know how to evaluate them. (And I think initbang and closebang are totally different animals...)
They definitely are very different.
As for [initbang] - my only use has been for making abstractions that can spawn a variable number of inlets/outlets. That's the only way I've used it and the only way I've ever seen it used-- if there are other uses maybe someone else on this list can give an example.
The [initbang] object gives abstractions the ability to do something that otherwise would only be possible by coding an external in another programming language. For example, with [initbang] I can quickly make an abstraction that can act like Max/MSP's [trigger] object-- where you can specify numeric values as arguments ( like [trigger b 0] ).
I want to redesign loadbang to take arguments, one of which could indicate at what "phase" of loading or closing the message should come out -- but this is a bigger design problem than I'm able to attack right now. I worry, though, that enshrining the proposed initbang/closebang will make thiings uglier and more complicated than necessary.
The addition of initbang would be a rather restricted ugliness, since a) neither [loadbang] nor [initbang] have an inlet (and therefore must always be at the head of an object chain), and b) both have a single outlet that sends a single message, and that message is a bang in both cases.
If future compatibility is the issue, and if the current [initbang] is to be a subset of the features of future [loadbang], wouldn't it be fairly straightforward to make [initbang] an alias of future [loadbang] (like a shortcut to whatever args you have to give future [loadbang] to get the functionality of current [initbang])?
Miller- would you mind commenting on the initbang/closebang patch on Sourceforge, as to why it's still not included in your Pd?
I'm curious what features you have in mind, and looking forward to having you in NYC. Perhaps we should have a mini PdCon here in the Fall :)
On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 17:06 -0700, Miller
I have only 2 weeks left in the vicinity of
collection of testing
machines (will be in New York Sept 1 - Jan.
1!) and so
try to get 0.43 finalized. I have several
to work on but I think the
whole thing is ready to put out compiled
versions" for people to
I'll try not to add new "features" but just
for the next 2 weeks --
I'll have all fall for the next bunch of
(including, perhaps, the
ones I've been trying to find time to work on).
I'll do my usual compiling and spot testing,
putting out the
test versions within the next day.
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