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| 14 earlier messages | ||
| Vivek Khera | Jul 10, 2000 7:24 am | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 10, 2000 8:12 am | |
| Doug Barton | Jul 10, 2000 10:10 am | |
| John Baldwin | Jul 10, 2000 10:13 am | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 2:15 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 2:20 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 2:21 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 2:23 pm | |
| Vivek Khera | Jul 10, 2000 2:43 pm | |
| Eric Jacoboni | Jul 10, 2000 3:10 pm | |
| Jeff Wyman | Jul 10, 2000 3:31 pm | |
| John Baldwin | Jul 10, 2000 4:40 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 4:53 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Jul 10, 2000 6:06 pm | |
| Richard Wackerbarth | Jul 10, 2000 6:20 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 10, 2000 8:37 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 10, 2000 8:38 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 10, 2000 8:40 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 10, 2000 8:42 pm | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 10, 2000 10:00 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 10:04 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Jul 10, 2000 10:09 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 10:16 pm | |
| Richard Stanaford | Jul 10, 2000 10:18 pm | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 10, 2000 10:28 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 10:34 pm | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 10, 2000 10:41 pm | |
| Francisco Reyes | Jul 10, 2000 11:00 pm | |
| Chad R. Larson | Jul 10, 2000 11:09 pm | |
| Francisco Reyes | Jul 10, 2000 11:13 pm | |
| Rodney W. Grimes | Jul 10, 2000 11:20 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 11:25 pm | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 10, 2000 11:25 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 11:30 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 10, 2000 11:36 pm | |
| Mike Nowlin | Jul 10, 2000 11:45 pm | |
| Johan Karlsson | Jul 11, 2000 12:59 am | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 11, 2000 1:31 am | |
| Jeff Wyman | Jul 11, 2000 1:36 am | |
| Greg Lehey | Jul 11, 2000 1:58 am | |
| Eric Jacoboni | Jul 11, 2000 2:01 am | |
| Brad Knowles | Jul 11, 2000 2:03 am | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 11, 2000 3:30 am | |
| Brad Knowles | Jul 11, 2000 3:38 am | |
| Udo Erdelhoff | Jul 11, 2000 3:42 am | |
| Brad Knowles | Jul 11, 2000 3:58 am | |
| Peter van Heusden | Jul 11, 2000 4:29 am | |
| Brad Knowles | Jul 11, 2000 5:38 am | |
| Jonathan Fosburgh | Jul 11, 2000 5:56 am | |
| Brandon D. Valentine | Jul 11, 2000 7:04 am | |
| Vivek Khera | Jul 11, 2000 7:39 am | |
| Stephen Montgomery-Smith | Jul 11, 2000 7:41 am | |
| Brad Knowles | Jul 11, 2000 7:44 am | |
| Vivek Khera | Jul 11, 2000 7:47 am | |
| Sameer R. Manek | Jul 11, 2000 9:26 am | |
| Gerhard Sittig | Jul 11, 2000 9:29 am | |
| Gerhard Sittig | Jul 11, 2000 9:55 am | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 11, 2000 10:17 am | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 11, 2000 10:30 am | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 11, 2000 11:02 am | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 11, 2000 11:13 am | |
| Shawn Barnhart | Jul 11, 2000 11:33 am | |
| Jeff Wyman | Jul 11, 2000 11:44 am | |
| David Bushong | Jul 11, 2000 12:21 pm | |
| Christoph Sold | Jul 11, 2000 12:33 pm | |
| Richard Stanaford | Jul 11, 2000 12:35 pm | |
| Linh Pham | Jul 11, 2000 12:38 pm | |
| Christoph Sold | Jul 11, 2000 12:45 pm | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 11, 2000 12:46 pm | |
| Gerhard Sittig | Jul 11, 2000 12:46 pm | |
| Jeffrey J. Mountin | Jul 11, 2000 12:50 pm | |
| John | Jul 11, 2000 12:57 pm | |
| Jonathan Smith | Jul 11, 2000 1:03 pm | |
| Christoph Sold | Jul 11, 2000 1:13 pm | |
| John | Jul 11, 2000 1:25 pm | |
| Bryan Bursey | Jul 11, 2000 2:10 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 11, 2000 3:11 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Jul 11, 2000 8:19 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Jul 11, 2000 8:22 pm | |
| Michael Robinson | Jul 11, 2000 10:52 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Jul 11, 2000 11:01 pm | |
| Michael Robinson | Jul 12, 2000 12:54 am | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Jul 12, 2000 1:56 am | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 12, 2000 4:35 am | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 12, 2000 5:44 am | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 12, 2000 10:48 am | |
| Marcel Moolenaar | Jul 12, 2000 10:58 am | |
| Greg Lehey | Jul 12, 2000 4:50 pm | |
| Kris Kennaway | Jul 12, 2000 5:43 pm | |
| Nik Clayton | Jul 12, 2000 6:26 pm | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 12, 2000 8:34 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 9:52 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 9:57 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 10:06 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 10:08 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 10:10 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 10:13 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 12, 2000 10:17 pm | |
| Brad Knowles | Jul 13, 2000 2:17 am | |
| Shawn Barnhart | Jul 13, 2000 5:53 am | |
| 70 later messages | ||
| Subject: | Re: HEADS UP! Always use the 'make buildkernel' target to make yer kernels | |
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| From: | Brandon D. Valentine (ban...@looksharp.net) | |
| Date: | Jul 11, 2000 7:04:02 am | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-stable | |
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote:
Well, I didn't see you very active with the 20-odd people who posted the same build error this time around. And I think it makes much more sense to teach people to use a tool which won't have dependency problems in the first place than to catch them all individually once they've tried what they knew and failed, and resorted to asking for help. But if you're going to make a commitment to answer each and every one of them every time this problem recurs, on every support forum, then I suppose it amounts to more or less the same thing in the end.
Kris, You have some very valid concerns from a support perspective, and I respect that. What I believe you are failing to take into account is the fact that the buildkernel target requires a full source repository and object tree. It is not that people object to a /usr/src level target for kernel builds, they object to the idea that The FreeBSD Project would require all users to have an entire source tree and object tree for something as common as a kernel build. Often users chose to stay with -RELEASE and those users need to be able to install only src-sys from their RELEASE CDROMs and build and install custom kernels. It would be a bit obtuse to do a full buildworld in order to obtain an object tree if one was planning on staying with -RELEASE code. The only way I can see making it feasible to for the buildworld target to be universally supported is to implement some sort of a check to see whether or not the version of the kernel code is different from that of the currently running kernel. If that is the case, then an object tree should be required. Otherwise buildkernel should use the build tools from the running system.
Brandon D. Valentine
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