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Subject:Re: [PD-dev] pow~ in Cyclone [was: Re: stripping down Pd-extended's default libs]
From:Roman Haefeli (redu@yahoo.de)
Date:Feb 17, 2009 11:08:36 am
List:at.iem.pd-dev

On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 10:47 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

Frank Barknecht wrote:

Hallo, Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:

On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 07:26 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: how can someone assume so? > no, that is so not true. i didn't even know, that zexy comes with their own version of [pack] and [unpack] until some weeks ago. and why the hell to they use the same names as internals? no, by no means i don't want to be forced to use the zexy version, just because some patches i use need zexy.

You have been forced to do so for many years, you just haven't been told about it until 0.42. I just now discovered that something is overwriting my [wrap]. I don't know yet which library does that. It would be nice if Pd could report the source library file together with the warning.

It's a difference between Pd >= 0.42 and Pd < 0.42. I don't think, overriding builtins ever worked with single-file externals,

that is what i am saying: this is introducing a _new_ incompatibility between pd-extended and pd vanilla.

this i don't understand; it is an incompatibility between prior and post 0.42, no matter whether you are using pd-vanilla or pd-ext. just because pd-ext is still far from 0.42, doesn't mean that it will take counter-measures when the time is ripe.

correct me, if this is wrong, but i understand, that overriding internal classes doesn't work with single-file externals. so the feature of overriding internal classes doesn't and won't work with pd-extended. this is what i call the incompatibility. a patch, that loads cyclone, assumes to be using the [pow~] of cyclone, while on pd-extended it does actually use the pd [pow~]. this is _not_ related to the version of pd-extended, this will virtually always be true, wouldn't it? so in my terminology, introducing the ability for external classes to override internal classes is what i call deliberately introducing a _new_ incompatibility between pd vanilla and pd-extended.

please someone correct me, if this is wrong or based on wrong assumptions.

roman

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