37 messages in org.kde.kde-core-develRe: Global Shortcuts
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Michael JansenMar 16, 2008 7:49 pm 
Aaron J. SeigoMar 16, 2008 9:26 pm 
Andreas PakulatMar 17, 2008 2:09 am 
David FaureMar 17, 2008 2:31 am 
Andreas HartmetzMar 17, 2008 5:21 am 
Andreas HartmetzMar 17, 2008 5:29 am 
Anders LundMar 17, 2008 6:37 am 
Michael JansenMar 17, 2008 10:44 am 
Michael JansenMar 17, 2008 10:46 am 
Thiago MacieiraMar 17, 2008 11:03 am 
Andreas PakulatMar 17, 2008 11:04 am 
Eike HeinMar 17, 2008 11:19 am 
Anders LundMar 17, 2008 11:30 am 
Anders LundMar 17, 2008 11:33 am 
Andras MantiaMar 17, 2008 11:45 am 
Michael JansenMar 17, 2008 11:54 am 
Andreas PakulatMar 17, 2008 11:59 am 
Michael JansenMar 17, 2008 12:15 pm 
Michael JansenMar 17, 2008 12:16 pm 
Anders LundMar 17, 2008 12:18 pm 
Andreas PakulatMar 17, 2008 12:33 pm 
Michael JansenMar 17, 2008 12:44 pm 
Anders LundMar 17, 2008 12:58 pm 
Andreas PakulatMar 17, 2008 2:01 pm 
Thiago MacieiraMar 17, 2008 2:02 pm 
Andreas PakulatMar 17, 2008 2:02 pm 
Thiago MacieiraMar 17, 2008 2:04 pm 
Anders LundMar 17, 2008 2:39 pm 
Olivier GoffartMar 17, 2008 3:28 pm 
Andreas HartmetzMar 18, 2008 1:50 am 
Andreas HartmetzMar 18, 2008 1:54 am 
Andreas HartmetzMar 18, 2008 1:59 am 
Michael JansenMar 18, 2008 2:49 am 
Sven BurmeisterMar 18, 2008 7:48 am 
Alex MerryMar 18, 2008 9:15 am 
Christoph CullmannMar 18, 2008 12:44 pm 
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Subject:Re: Global ShortcutsActions...
From:Anders Lund (and@alweb.dk)
Date:Mar 17, 2008 12:58:05 pm
List:org.kde.kde-core-devel

On Monday 17 March 2008, Andreas Pakulat wrote:

Actually I expect _any_ user that starts an app he doesn't know to at least have a short look through the manual and those people that care for shortcuts probably also take a look into the shortcuts dialog simply because currently KDE completely lacks a proper place for listing and possibly printing them (I hope I can change that for 4.1 though).

Eh, what world do you live in? ;)

We (or at least I) start apps with an expectation that they can do or help us to do defined tasks, not because we have a world of time to spend learning new stuff. The manual is consulted if we can't figure out how to use the app to achieve our goals.

When kopete 'stole' CTRL + SHIFT + I, we got several bugs reported for Kate. No reporter consulted the Kopete manual, they looked in Kates, just to find that that shortcut indeed should activate the unindent action.

BTW: I completely understand your points and in fact we're pretty much on the same page actually. You said that for apps like kwin or plasma which have no GUI anyway there would be a need to automatically enable their global shortcuts anyway.

I do agree that a hint about global shortcuts would be nice on app startup and guess what, we have that already. Its called KTip ;) Just the app developer has to use it.

Do you have ktip enabled? I don't, it's usually the first thing I disable if an application provides it. I can't think of anybody I know who tends to keep those enabled. I may launch the tip dialog (help->tip of the day) if I want to learn a few things about an application, but again, I do not think I would find the right one when an action in one app fails reacting to a shortcut due to another app 'stealing' it.

I believe somthing at kdelibs level that would detect and warn about and offer to solve conflicts would be cool. It's just a question of designing it so well that it does not feel too intrusive to the user.

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