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| 29 earlier messages | ||
| Chris Thompson | Feb 16, 2012 7:05 pm | |
| Kim van der Linde | Feb 16, 2012 7:13 pm | |
| Neal Evenhuis | Feb 16, 2012 7:27 pm | |
| Kim van der Linde | Feb 16, 2012 7:38 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 16, 2012 7:40 pm | |
| muscapaul | Feb 17, 2012 12:16 am | |
| Dr Brian Taylor | Feb 17, 2012 12:23 am | |
| Armand Turpel | Feb 17, 2012 1:25 am | |
| Chris Thompson | Feb 17, 2012 7:03 am | |
| Chris Thompson | Feb 17, 2012 11:23 am | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 1:09 pm | |
| Chris Thompson | Feb 17, 2012 2:04 pm | |
| Tony...@csiro.au | Feb 17, 2012 2:32 pm | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 17, 2012 2:51 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 3:16 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 3:18 pm | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 17, 2012 3:22 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 3:37 pm | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 17, 2012 5:06 pm | |
| Tony...@csiro.au | Feb 17, 2012 5:18 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 5:27 pm | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 17, 2012 7:39 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 8:04 pm | |
| Richard Zander | Feb 18, 2012 9:26 am | |
| Richard Zander | Feb 18, 2012 9:59 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 18, 2012 11:33 am | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 18, 2012 6:45 pm | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 18, 2012 8:59 pm | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 12:36 am | |
| Roderic Page | Feb 19, 2012 5:48 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 7:36 am | |
| Roderic Page | Feb 19, 2012 8:09 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 8:58 am | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 19, 2012 8:59 am | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 19, 2012 9:49 am | |
| Frederick W. Schueler | Feb 19, 2012 10:29 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 19, 2012 12:14 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 12:45 pm | |
| Bob Mesibov | Feb 19, 2012 2:23 pm | |
| Walker, Ken | Feb 19, 2012 2:36 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 2:38 pm | |
| Bob Mesibov | Feb 19, 2012 2:54 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 2:56 pm | |
| Walker, Ken | Feb 19, 2012 3:08 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 4:05 pm | |
| Bob Mesibov | Feb 19, 2012 4:07 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 5:09 pm | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 19, 2012 5:18 pm | |
| Bob Mesibov | Feb 19, 2012 5:33 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 5:50 pm | |
| Kenneth Kinman | Feb 19, 2012 7:27 pm | |
| Weakley, Alan | Feb 19, 2012 7:47 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 7:50 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 7:52 pm | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 19, 2012 8:13 pm | |
| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 19, 2012 8:22 pm | |
| Dr.B.J.Tindall | Feb 19, 2012 11:08 pm | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 11:52 pm | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 11:56 pm | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 20, 2012 1:02 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 20, 2012 1:24 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 20, 2012 1:27 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 20, 2012 1:32 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 20, 2012 3:07 am | |
| Curtis Clark | Feb 20, 2012 7:28 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 20, 2012 8:55 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 20, 2012 9:07 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 20, 2012 9:40 am | |
| Richard Zander | Feb 20, 2012 10:35 am | |
| Wolfgang Lorenz | Feb 20, 2012 11:03 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 20, 2012 11:09 am | |
| David Campbell | Feb 20, 2012 11:41 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 21, 2012 1:03 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 21, 2012 8:26 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 21, 2012 8:48 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 22, 2012 12:30 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 22, 2012 12:44 am | |
| Adam Cotton | Feb 22, 2012 3:00 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 22, 2012 3:11 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 23, 2012 12:27 am | |
| Wolfgang Lorenz | Feb 23, 2012 2:12 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 23, 2012 3:31 am | |
| Kim van der Linde | Feb 23, 2012 3:43 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 23, 2012 4:02 am | |
| Dr Brian Taylor | Feb 23, 2012 4:29 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 23, 2012 5:51 am | |
| Kim van der Linde | Feb 23, 2012 6:12 am | |
| Dr Brian Taylor | Feb 23, 2012 8:06 am | |
| Fran...@dmns.org | Feb 23, 2012 10:04 am | |
| Richard Zander | Feb 23, 2012 10:21 am | |
| Wolfgang Lorenz | Feb 23, 2012 10:50 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 24, 2012 12:28 am | |
| Bradley Boyle | Feb 24, 2012 11:19 am | |
| Richard Pyle | Feb 24, 2012 11:33 am | |
| Fran...@dmns.org | Feb 24, 2012 12:08 pm | |
| Dr.B.J.Tindall | Feb 25, 2012 12:30 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 25, 2012 12:33 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 25, 2012 12:36 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 25, 2012 4:18 am | |
| 1 later message | ||
| Subject: | Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names | |
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| From: | Bob Mesibov (mesi...@southcom.com.au) | |
| Date: | Feb 19, 2012 5:33:52 pm | |
| List: | edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacom | |
Stephen,
Can't fault what you're saying. Go back, though, to Rod Page's post:
"The point is not whether taxonomists consider them to be names, but how do we
find out what these things mean when we encounter them in scientific papers,
phylogenies, as entries in databases, as labels on specimens, etc.?"
Rod's 'we' *might* include taxonomists, but a much bigger 'we' are the
intended/hoped-for, non-specialist users of GBIF, EoL and a host of less
well-funded and probably shorter-lived projects. This the audience for whom we
are 'unlocking biodiversity science' and making its results universally
accessible.
So how do those 'we' find out what the names mean, a la Rod's question? They
either ask specialists or they suffer the nightmare that Armand said he faced. A
network of linked data does not supply the *interpreted* data that
non-specialists want.
I'm sorry if I may have confused the issue by bringing up the GAAOTR (although
Ken Walker suggested it's *needed* by non-specialists!), since Rod would
probably see that as just one of the ways of linking disparate data sources, and
not necessarily the best. And I do know that specialists can sometimes do a
sloppy job of compilation.
But the answer to 'how do I work out whether Aus bus in this data source is the
same as the Aus bus [or Cus bus, or Cus dus] in this other one'? begins with
asking a specialist, whether that's a professional taxonomist with lots of
publications on these and related taxa, or an exceptionally well-informed
compiler like Stephen Thorpe. I wouldn't trust a non-human source to tell me,
and an un-specialised GBIF customer (for example) *certainly* shouldn't.
-- Dr Robert Mesibov Honorary Research Associate Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery Home contact: PO Box 101, Penguin, Tasmania, Australia 7316 Ph: (03) 64371195; 61 3 64371195 Webpage: http://www.qvmag.tas.gov.au/?articleID=570
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