| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Olivier JAN | Feb 23, 2010 1:35 am | |
| Olivier JAN | Feb 23, 2010 1:47 am | |
| Christian Döbler | Feb 23, 2010 2:56 am | |
| Michael Friedrich | Feb 23, 2010 4:57 am | |
| nap | Feb 23, 2010 5:52 am | |
| nap | Feb 25, 2010 2:05 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Feb 25, 2010 5:23 am | |
| Marc Powell | Feb 25, 2010 5:55 am | |
| nap | Feb 25, 2010 6:08 am | |
| Michael Friedrich | Feb 25, 2010 6:23 am | |
| Martin Melin | Feb 25, 2010 6:27 am | |
| nap | Feb 25, 2010 6:43 am | |
| Marc Powell | Feb 25, 2010 7:53 am | |
| Frost, Mark {PBG} | Feb 25, 2010 8:17 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Feb 25, 2010 8:25 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Feb 25, 2010 9:07 am | |
| L B | Feb 25, 2010 2:08 pm | |
| Ciro Iriarte | Feb 26, 2010 5:24 am | |
| anthony paradis | Feb 26, 2010 7:00 am | |
| seb | Feb 26, 2010 7:06 am | |
| Romuald FRONTEAU | Feb 26, 2010 7:34 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Feb 26, 2010 7:37 am | |
| nap | Feb 26, 2010 11:52 am | |
| Gerhard Lausser | Feb 26, 2010 12:29 pm | |
| anthony paradis | Feb 26, 2010 12:56 pm | |
| Michael Friedrich | Feb 26, 2010 1:01 pm | |
| Gius, Mark | Feb 26, 2010 2:38 pm | |
| L B | Feb 27, 2010 8:30 am | |
| Michael Friedrich | Feb 27, 2010 9:30 am | |
| Lappies | Feb 27, 2010 9:45 am | |
| Sasc...@gfkl.com | Mar 1, 2010 7:19 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Mar 1, 2010 7:58 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Mar 1, 2010 8:05 am | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Mar 1, 2010 8:32 am | |
| Michael Friedrich | Mar 1, 2010 9:08 am | |
| Ethan Galstad | Mar 1, 2010 9:00 pm | |
| Ethan Galstad | Mar 1, 2010 9:11 pm | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Mar 1, 2010 11:15 pm | |
| Andreas Ericsson | Mar 2, 2010 6:10 am | |
| Ethan Galstad | Mar 2, 2010 9:29 am | |
| Romuald FRONTEAU | Mar 2, 2010 9:50 am | |
| Gerhard Lausser | Mar 2, 2010 10:25 am |
| Subject: | Re: [Nagios-devel] The nagios community wants to keep its open soul | |
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| From: | Michael Friedrich (mich...@univie.ac.at) | |
| Date: | Feb 23, 2010 4:57:00 am | |
| List: | net.sourceforge.lists.nagios-devel | |
Hi Olivier,
after reading this for background information:
http://www.nagios-fr.org/2010/02/accuse-nagios-fr-org-levez-vous/ (scroll down for the English email conversation)
I'm deeply annoyed how communi...cation happens this time.
Olivier JAN wrote:
It's an alarm call that is raised : after a long period where people began to think nagios is a dead foss project, we nearly reach a point of no return : the author try to gag on the community because it's to free!!
Let's get back to the facts : Nagios is still the reference in the open source monitoring tools, and some serious challengers like Zabbix or Zenoss try to reach its place. In the open source world, and especially the monitoring one, the real strength is not in code lines, but in the community around the project. You know the Nagios one has been a great one during years. Meanwhile, since two years, the lack of presence and answer from Ethan to proposals from the community legitimately irritate the community. As much as a fork, named Icinga, arisen a year ago.
Ethan's work on the core and also to mention the addons, was and is really nice. The way things are going this time, is not good, but with different behavior community and developers and Ethan might have a "come2gether" again. But yeah, I am a bit shocked about those emails and sorry to mention that, "communism thoughts".
Where the story became complex is when we look at the economic sphere around Nagios. Like a lot of foss that grow a lot, and after have given more than 8 years of it's time to Nagios, he legitimately create a support enterprise behind it, "Nagios Enterprise". The Icinga fork came from community members that are also employees of another society that supports Nagios : Netways. If the GPLv2 license of Nagios was respected, it seems more like a business fork than a foss one for the nagios author. That had irritate Nagios author and the major part of the community have stay in the Nagios project.
Let me rephrase - I am NOT affiliated in any way to Netways. I am working on behalf of the University of Vienna on Icinga Core and IDOUtils Postgres/Oracle and I am adding my knowledge to this fresh and active project.
From our point of view, the now closed NDOUtils Oracle have been migrated back to upstream (1.0.1 will have full improved Oracle support). Furthermore, many hold back patches and improvements can be committed. Good for the community, and we get testing and feedback. Just the way open source is meant to be.
We appreciate the help by Netways for server costs and providing development resources. And it is of course a "give and take" situation just like we have.
Unfortunately, this story have a side effect : we are thinking Ethan began to turn against the community, and this open spirit that allow this fork, by ignore even more the community and refuse to answer to code enhancement proposals. Last but not least affront : he ask the DNS entry of the French nagios community site (http://www.nagios-fr.org) to be give to him so he can raised a new community, more corporate : in this site we can see some posts about the felon (but open source and nagios relative) Icinga project! This fork seem to have finally more cut Ethan author and the community than the community into two parts.
Why hand over the DNS entry? Which law would fit there - French against US? For what reason ... because it's nagios-*.org not nagios.fr. Which is already owned by Nagios Enterprises of course looking at the whois. Will this be a neverending story then? Should I register nagios-community.at, talk about Icinga and then get asked to hand that over? Sorry, but I don't get it.
And reading on the fact, that nagios-fr.org is being sued for posting Icinga updates on their websites - WTF? So I as a user within a given numbers of nagios related boards and mailinglists am not allowed to mention Icinga (ups, I just did) in any way related to Nagios? Sorry, but what's wrong with you people?
That's the last straw for a community who want to be as free as foss it supports. In Open Source, we have "free as in beer" but also "free as in speech". I, as the leader of the French community, and with the support of community members, answer him that it will be be tolerated to be dictate laws about what the community can speak about. To do not risk an hypothetical sue from Nagios Enterprise (for trademark protection), we have decided to migrate the site to monitoring-fr.org and to gave the nagios-fr.org site to Nagios enterprise when the migration will be finished.
Hm, a slap in the face not only for the French Nagios community.
With this open letter entitle "The nagios community wants to keep its open soul", the community ask where the project is going and if it will still be open and ethically respectful of the open source spirit. Some question raised about the real open aspect of the Nagios future by freezing the current open source part and put it into a close solution (Nagios XI, close application based on Nagios, soon available from Nagios Enterprise) that seem to be the only part that will evolve in the future. The community also ask how it's seen in the Nagios project, if it still have is its place into it and if it must hold its tongue about what is not "corporate" for Nagios Enterprise.
The community want to help on the industrialization and support of Nagios by free software business, but still want to keep its soul. The community wish Nagios keep it's first rank, that was give to it by the community, and the project came back to "the old good time" when foss developers and people who just want to help had yet their words to say against marketing communication.
We wish this open letter will not be a dead letter, because this will finish to dig the gap between the author and its community, that represent a major part of the project's power, and will not finish by a fork that will divided again the community, and will add another taboo name in all sites that speak about Nagios.
This is not about frozen Nagios development. This is about how to divide and conquer the community. And that's really sad to read and hear.
Community is what matters and therefore I will be continueing with ongoing development. I am pretty sure the community will not have to decide wether using Nagios or Icinga or Shinken or any other monitoring approach.
Community happens.
Kind regards, Michael (you'll figure it out what I am working on in Icinga ;)
Signed by: *The French community *Olivier Jan, writer of a french book bout Nagios, and leader of the french community *Gabes Jean, writer of another french book about Nagios *Gerhard Lausser, writer of a german book about Nagios
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