2006/12/11, Alan Horkan <hork...@maths.tcd.ie>:

More than perceiving, I'm reading. :)

Murray introduced the CoC as a tool to 1. prevent abuse - see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2006-May/msg00057.html

The Bugzilla team has been the first one using the CoC - Olav explained it was a useful tool to prevent abuse and act against it.

I fully agree on this point - and with the fact that this is something we need to solve. I just doubt a CoC is the right tool to fight arrogance in our context.

Have a look to the archives. Read the CoC threads back in Summer and the recent ones. Don't you find there the same level of arrogance we have in tough debates? Do you see the CoC supporters less arrogants than the rest. Judge for yourself.

Some of the core CoC supporters put (in my opinion) arrogance in practice - quite in the GNOME way. I think it has something to do with years in the project, status, high responsibilities, lack of time, too many battles... I admire most of this people and I enjoy working with them. They can be great mates and sweet hearts but for some reason under some conditions they are arrogant. And yet they support a CoC.

Well, I prefer that we have a clear agenda of problems we want to solve, and act to solve them directly instead of trying to find the magical text that will solve them all. If we want more women in free software let's do something about that (it's working). If we want more Asian/African/etc contributors, let's dfo something about that. If we want to wipe out arrogance let's do something specific about that.

To me the CoC is a relatively easy way to have some peace in mind while the real problems keep being unsolved in their roots.