|Dave Neary||Dec 1, 2006 6:02 am|
|Murray Cumming||Dec 1, 2006 7:05 am|
|Adrian Custer||Dec 1, 2006 7:36 am|
|Dave Neary||Dec 1, 2006 9:31 am|
|Murray Cumming||Dec 1, 2006 9:44 am|
|Danilo Šegan||Dec 1, 2006 10:43 am|
|Murray Cumming||Dec 1, 2006 11:03 am|
|Anne Østergaard||Dec 1, 2006 11:11 am|
|Glynn Foster||Dec 1, 2006 12:24 pm|
|Murray Cumming||Dec 1, 2006 12:34 pm|
|Mariano Suárez-Alvarez||Dec 1, 2006 7:02 pm|
|Alan Horkan||Dec 1, 2006 9:06 pm|
|Dave Neary||Dec 2, 2006 1:24 am|
|Alan Horkan||Dec 2, 2006 2:02 am|
|Johannes Schmid||Dec 2, 2006 5:21 am|
|Quim Gil||Dec 2, 2006 5:55 am|
|Alan Horkan||Dec 2, 2006 6:29 am|
|Danilo Šegan||Dec 3, 2006 1:35 pm|
|Adam Schreiber||Dec 3, 2006 1:47 pm|
|Philip Van Hoof||Dec 4, 2006 8:50 am|
|Olav Vitters||Dec 4, 2006 9:53 am|
|Philip Van Hoof||Dec 4, 2006 10:27 am|
|Olav Vitters||Dec 4, 2006 10:49 am|
|Murray Cumming||Dec 4, 2006 11:44 am|
|Philip Van Hoof||Dec 4, 2006 12:13 pm|
|Andrew Sobala||Dec 4, 2006 12:49 pm|
|Elijah Newren||Dec 4, 2006 2:53 pm|
|Jeff Waugh||Dec 4, 2006 3:02 pm|
|Telsa Gwynne||Dec 8, 2006 1:26 pm|
|Dave Neary||Dec 8, 2006 2:42 pm|
|Quim Gil||Dec 8, 2006 3:39 pm|
|Alan Horkan||Dec 10, 2006 7:02 pm|
|Jeff Waugh||Dec 10, 2006 7:42 pm|
|Quim Gil||Dec 12, 2006 3:58 pm|
|Quim Gil||Dec 12, 2006 4:07 pm|
|Murray Cumming||Dec 14, 2006 2:59 am|
|Murray Cumming||Jan 16, 2007 6:40 am|
|Subject:||Re: Code of conduct (bis)|
|From:||Dave Neary (dne...@free.fr)|
|Date:||Dec 1, 2006 9:31:16 am|
Murray Cumming wrote:
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 15:02 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
The feeling of the board (a majority opinion, rather than unanimous) is that the code of conduct would be more hurt than helped by being pushed by us. Its adoption really needs to be bottom-up.
Thanks for being the messenger. I am deeply disappointed by this. I think it's a failure of leadership and a failure to stand up for our most basic common values. From an otherwise sensible board.
My personal opinion? A code of conduct is vital to the success of a project. Usually, these codes are left unwritten - the group forms itself around common principles and self-selects people who conform to the unwritten norms (that's why some projects have a disproportionate amount of assholes, and others seem heavily weighted with nice guys & gals - birds of a feather and all that).
We have a code. You've attempted to write it down in its simplest form. I applaud you for it.
A written code of conduct is useful for what - for reminding existing members what's acceptable and not? I don't think so. The main use of a code being written down is to ensure that newcomers to the project know where they stand, what they can expect, and (if they don't respect the code) why they're being given out to.
This is clearly a case where having it written and endorsed by the board is not enough - you need prominent mailing list people, project maintainers, bugmasters and everyone else who is in regular direct contact with newcomers to our community.
That's what I mean by bottom-up. Leading by example. Proving the benefit of the code by showing how it improves the tone and content of a forum. As I said, Olav has been a shining example in this.
This was really the only way that this could be done. It will be logistically almost impossible for me to individually persuade every single mailing list, project maintainer, and sysadmin to endose this explicitly.
You don't have to persuade them all. You just have to persuade a big enough chunk that they'll be persuading others, and the cure will spread just like the disease did (if we're diseased at all).
-- Dave Neary dne...@free.fr