atom feed130 messages in edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacomRe: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names
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7 later messages
Subject:Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names
From:Walker, Ken (kwal@museum.vic.gov.au)
Date:Feb 19, 2012 3:08:19 pm
List:edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacom

I can't believe I am tag-teaming with Stephen! (:->!

but when a biodiversity crisis comes up (think of controlling an invasive
species) and the GAAOTR doesn't provide links to enough relevant info, it's back
to the specialists, who could have been consulted first, to save time.

When dealing with exotic invasive species, there is a rule: "Rapid recognition
of Regulated and Marine Pests is critical to ensure appropriate response
strategies are implemented."

Australia has recently suffered 2 major exotic invasive species: Red Imported
Fire Ant (Solenopsis invicta) and Papaya Fruit fly (Bactrocera papayae) both
which have cost millions to eradicate or control.

It wasn't the scientists "who could have been consulted first, to save time"
that found either of these species, it was concern citizens and farmers.

" Is that 'we' going to be interested in upgrading the info concerning the other
90+% of the biota in the GAAOTR?"

Our list of dedicated Museum volunteers would say yes.

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: taxa@mailman.nhm.ku.edu
[mailto:taxa@mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Mesibov Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012 9:55 AM To: TAXACOM Subject: Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names

Ken Walker wrote:

'Why then are global social science websites such as Project Noah, iNaturalist,
iSpot, Mushroom Observer etc so popular, so well used and provide a vehicle for
non-specialists to make a contribution to biodiversity and Biosecurity? ... The
socialisation of science needs a "Gigantic All-Names All-Species Online
Taxonomic Resource (GAAOTR)".'

So one section of the 'we' is citizen scientists making and recording field
observations? Excellent. That gives us even more information than we already
have about the usual suspects (vertebrates, large and charismatic invertebrates,
flowering plants, large fruiting fungi). Is that 'we' going to be interested in
upgrading the info concerning the other 90+% of the biota in the GAAOTR?

Stephen Thorpe wrote:

"it is possible to achieve, but the main problem is stopping the proliferation
of errors along the acronym food chain ... as I'm sure Bob would agree?... as I
said in response to something that Chris Thompson said, I don't think that
working specialist taxonomists are necessarily the best people to do this,
although they should certainly be consulted along the way ..."

Sorry, I don't agree that the main problem in erecting a GAAOTR is stopping the
proliferation of errors. It's adding new taxa, something you've pointed out many
times on this list. Working specialist taxonomists are currently the people
doing this (although that could change in future). The tweaking of what's
already known can be done by non-specialists, sure, but when a biodiversity
crisis comes up (think of controlling an invasive species) and the GAAOTR
doesn't provide links to enough relevant info, it's back to the specialists, who
could have been consulted first, to save time.

-- Dr Robert Mesibov Honorary Research Associate Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery Home contact: PO Box 101, Penguin, Tasmania, Australia 7316 Ph: (03) 64371195; 61 3 64371195 Webpage: http://www.qvmag.tas.gov.au/?articleID=570

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