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| Hays, Sam | Apr 9, 2001 6:32 am | |
| James Raftery | Apr 9, 2001 6:45 am | |
| Steve Tremblett | Apr 9, 2001 6:57 am | |
| Rasputin | Apr 9, 2001 7:47 am | |
| Matthew Emmerton | Apr 9, 2001 8:06 am | |
| Christopher Schulte | Apr 9, 2001 8:26 am | |
| Rasputin | Apr 9, 2001 8:28 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 8:45 am | |
| Christopher Schulte | Apr 9, 2001 9:23 am | |
| Jordan Hubbard | Apr 9, 2001 10:25 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 10:29 am | |
| Markus Holmberg | Apr 9, 2001 10:35 am | |
| Michael R. Rudel | Apr 9, 2001 10:37 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 10:38 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 10:49 am | |
| Jordan Hubbard | Apr 9, 2001 10:52 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 10:56 am | |
| David A. Koran | Apr 9, 2001 11:15 am | |
| Jordan Hubbard | Apr 9, 2001 11:15 am | |
| Przemyslaw Brojewski | Apr 9, 2001 11:15 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 11:31 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 9, 2001 11:36 am | |
| Przemyslaw Brojewski | Apr 9, 2001 11:58 am | |
| Rodney W. Grimes | Apr 9, 2001 12:10 pm | |
| Ken Bolingbroke | Apr 9, 2001 12:13 pm | |
| Kal Torak | Apr 9, 2001 12:34 pm | |
| Matthew Emmerton | Apr 9, 2001 12:54 pm | |
| Jeffrey J. Mountin | Apr 9, 2001 12:54 pm | |
| Scott Dodson | Apr 9, 2001 1:15 pm | |
| Jeff Love | Apr 9, 2001 1:28 pm | |
| David Kelly | Apr 9, 2001 1:42 pm | |
| Peter Radcliffe | Apr 9, 2001 1:43 pm | |
| Ben Loyall | Apr 9, 2001 2:07 pm | |
| James Penick | Apr 9, 2001 2:08 pm | |
| Juha Saarinen | Apr 9, 2001 2:20 pm | |
| Mike Meyer | Apr 9, 2001 3:54 pm | |
| Bob K | Apr 9, 2001 4:22 pm | |
| Conrad Sabatier | Apr 9, 2001 5:49 pm | |
| Christopher K Davis | Apr 9, 2001 5:54 pm | |
| Matthew Emmerton | Apr 9, 2001 7:03 pm | |
| Donn Miller | Apr 9, 2001 7:12 pm | |
| Jeffrey J. Mountin | Apr 9, 2001 10:53 pm | .Other |
| Nik Clayton | Apr 10, 2001 4:06 am | |
| Nik Clayton | Apr 10, 2001 4:12 am | |
| Nik Clayton | Apr 10, 2001 4:19 am | |
| Mike Meyer | Apr 10, 2001 5:51 am | |
| Steve Tremblett | Apr 10, 2001 6:36 am | |
| Graywane | Apr 10, 2001 6:53 am | |
| Michael Nottebrock | Apr 10, 2001 8:32 am | |
| Rodney W. Grimes | Apr 10, 2001 8:34 am | |
| Jordan Hubbard | Apr 10, 2001 8:41 am | |
| Gerhard Sittig | Apr 10, 2001 9:51 am | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 10, 2001 12:33 pm | |
| Rodney W. Grimes | Apr 10, 2001 1:52 pm | |
| Joe Abley | Apr 10, 2001 2:28 pm | |
| Mike Meyer | Apr 10, 2001 2:46 pm | |
| David O'Brien | Apr 10, 2001 2:47 pm | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 10, 2001 2:54 pm | |
| David O'Brien | Apr 10, 2001 2:54 pm | |
| Mike Meyer | Apr 10, 2001 2:55 pm | |
| David O'Brien | Apr 10, 2001 2:56 pm | |
| Juha Saarinen | Apr 10, 2001 3:28 pm | |
| Matthew Emmerton | Apr 10, 2001 5:28 pm | |
| Dima Dorfman | Apr 10, 2001 9:30 pm | |
| Peter Jeremy | Apr 10, 2001 10:30 pm | |
| Rodney W. Grimes | Apr 10, 2001 10:48 pm | |
| Steve O'Hara-Smith | Apr 10, 2001 11:00 pm | |
| Oliver Fromme | Apr 11, 2001 6:45 am | |
| David O'Brien | Apr 11, 2001 10:14 am | |
| jonathan michaels | Apr 11, 2001 12:26 pm | |
| Oliver Fromme | Apr 11, 2001 12:48 pm | |
| Pete French | Apr 11, 2001 12:58 pm | |
| Michael Butler | Apr 11, 2001 1:13 pm | |
| jonathan michaels | Apr 11, 2001 1:20 pm | |
| Nik Clayton | Apr 11, 2001 2:51 pm | |
| Dan Langille | Apr 11, 2001 3:19 pm | |
| Nik Clayton | Apr 12, 2001 12:57 am |
| Subject: | Re: Releases | |
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| From: | Mike Meyer (mw...@mired.org) | |
| Date: | Apr 9, 2001 3:54:51 pm | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-stable | |
Kal Torak <kalt...@quake.com.au> types:
There is nothing wrong with the current label system... As it has been said RTFM!!! Its not a hard concept to grasp, there are thousands of people that understand it just fine, for those few that dont it wouldnt matter what labels you used they would still not understand...
Since there is no problem to be solved here, lets kill this thread and get on with more important things...
Wrong. The problem is that the common perception of the meaning of "BETA" causes people to want to know how not to get a BETA when it shows up. Those of us who try to contribute via -questions have to put up with it there as well as here. If there's a simple solution to making the problem go away, I'd certainly like to have it happen.
Matthew Emmerton <ma...@gsicomp.on.ca> types:
In the case of people running -CURRENT on a production machine, that's just a plain and simple mistake. Ever wonder how someone who barely knows how to use cvsup and make world manages to obtain -CURRENT in the first place?
No, because it happens to everyone who uses the standard-supfile in the /usr/share/examples/cvsup. I think that stable-supfile should vanish from that directory, and standard-supfile should be right for the branch the system came from, no matter which branch that was.
Next, the case of -STABLE/-BETA/-RC/-RELEASE. I still maintain that -BETA is confusing to the newbie (since due to M$, betas of IE were more like pre-alphas and totally trashed most systems and rightly freak out most novice admins), while STABLE/RC/RELEASE just makes sense. However, this isn't in the handbook and should be, so that people on the list can say "go to handbook/release-process.html" and people unfamiliar with our release process will become enlightened.
You can already say "go to FAQ/admin.html#RELEASE-CANDIDATE". That doesn't stop the questions. While all of them cause problems
Finally, almost every newbie I see asking a question asks "how can I do this on FreeBSD, and where is the HOWTO- to help me?" Most often these people are redirected to offsite repositories of information, rather than the documentation included with FreeBSD. IMHO, this contributes to the degradation of the existing documentation of FreeBSD, as more effort will go into updating third-party sources.
Note that the third-party repositories don't have a chance to be vetted by committers, who will presumably catch obsolete, inaccurate, or suboptimal information. Between these two problems, they are clearly bad for the community. If you maintain one of those things - I'd be interested in knowing why you aren't submitting them to the documentation project, instead of maintaining your own repository?
Jordan Hubbard <jk...@osd.bsdi.com> types:
Just because the problem is difficult to solve does not mean it can not be or should not be solved.
Fine, how about you solve it and the rest of us will get back to all the other stuff we have on our plates. :)
I know, you're kidding. But if some group of people who have to deal with the questions propose a complete new naming scheme designed to deal with all the problems we see the current ones causing (though the only serious one is -BETA/-RC), is there any chance of it being adopted? How about just a new name for either -BETA (the major source of the problem), or simply calling -STABLE -ALPHA, thus making -BETA & -RC seem desirable?
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