| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 29, 2005 12:14 pm | |
| Tim Blechmann | Dec 29, 2005 1:48 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 29, 2005 2:15 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 29, 2005 2:32 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 29, 2005 2:47 pm | |
| Tim Blechmann | Dec 29, 2005 3:31 pm | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Dec 29, 2005 5:46 pm | |
| c | Dec 29, 2005 6:42 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 29, 2005 6:55 pm | |
| Marc Lavallée | Dec 29, 2005 8:48 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Dec 29, 2005 10:42 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 30, 2005 6:39 am | |
| Marc Lavallée | Dec 30, 2005 9:49 am | |
| Yves Degoyon | Dec 30, 2005 12:45 pm | |
| Yves Degoyon | Dec 30, 2005 12:48 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Dec 30, 2005 2:12 pm | |
| Yves Degoyon | Dec 30, 2005 2:18 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 30, 2005 3:20 pm | |
| Christian Klippel | Dec 30, 2005 4:28 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 30, 2005 7:26 pm | |
| Kyle Klipowicz | Dec 30, 2005 7:36 pm | |
| David Plans Casal | Dec 31, 2005 4:08 am | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 1, 2006 9:48 am | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 1, 2006 9:52 am | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 1, 2006 10:46 am | |
| Christian Klippel | Jan 1, 2006 10:57 am | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 1, 2006 11:09 am | |
| Christian Klippel | Jan 1, 2006 11:41 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 1, 2006 12:22 pm | |
| Tim Blechmann | Jan 1, 2006 12:32 pm | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 1, 2006 1:34 pm | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 1, 2006 1:42 pm | |
| Christian Klippel | Jan 1, 2006 1:50 pm | |
| David Plans Casal | Jan 2, 2006 3:50 am | |
| ydeg...@free.fr | Jan 2, 2006 1:07 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Jan 2, 2006 2:30 pm | |
| Marc Lavallée | Jan 2, 2006 5:32 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 2, 2006 11:52 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 3, 2006 12:13 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Jan 3, 2006 7:44 am | |
| c | Jan 3, 2006 9:07 am | |
| Marc Lavallée | Jan 3, 2006 9:41 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 3, 2006 5:35 pm | |
| Marc Lavallée | Jan 4, 2006 7:10 am | |
| B. Bogart | Jan 4, 2006 9:18 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 4, 2006 9:24 am | |
| Marc Lavallée | Jan 4, 2006 11:00 am | |
| Chris McCormick | Jan 5, 2006 3:26 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 5, 2006 7:29 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Jan 5, 2006 7:35 pm | |
| Marc Lavallée | Jan 6, 2006 6:35 am |
| Subject: | Re: [PD-dev] Yves Degoyon | |
|---|---|---|
| From: | Hans-Christoph Steiner (ha...@eds.org) | |
| Date: | Dec 29, 2005 10:42:51 pm | |
| List: | at.iem.pd-dev | |
Any statement in a license can't just be disregarded. That's a very clear statement within a license, so its legally binding. And therefore PiDiP is not free software.
I'd prefer to have that phrase removed from the PiDiP license, though I agree with its sentiment. Otherwise it will make distributing PiDiP difficult, among other things.
.hc
On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote:
Le 29 Décembre 2005 21:56, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 ydeg...@free.fr wrote:
we know it's all copyright, all your fake free software attitude ....
I found this in PiDiP's LICENSE.txt :
"NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!"
This goes against FSF/GNU's FSD, rule "Freedom Zero" (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html)
Yes. But this is only because the FSF wants the user to decide what's good or bad.
And also against OSI's OSD, rule 6 (http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php)
Wrong interpretation: the term "military or repressive use" does not relate to any speficic activity, because so many fields of endeavor are involved in the business of repression. But it complies with rule 5: "No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups", because using force against people usually involves discrimination.
And as such, PiDiP is not Free Software. It may not be distributed as part of Debian's "main" and thus instead should be put in "non-free".
It's a "modified" BSD licence, it's open and compatible... But this first phrase is simply an opinion, and legally almost irrelevent. It's a bit weird to use a BSD license and add such a vague statement, knowing that OpenBSD was financed by the Pentagon for many years until Theo de Raadt expressed its concern about the war in Iraq. B.T.W. the Internet was also developed by the Pentagon, so maybe PiDiP should not be downloaded from the Internet, since this network is being used for war and repression.
It's not a good idea to add "politically correct" clauses in a license, because their interpretations can be too fuzzy. A license is a technical document, and moral stances are better included as "legal embodiments", like the GPL does so well.
Help, help! I'm being opressed! (Monty Python and the Holy Grail) ;-)
-- Marc
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