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Eduard MoraruSep 25, 2014 2:59 am 
Thomas MortagneSep 25, 2014 3:17 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 25, 2014 3:36 am 
Guillaume "Louis-Marie" DelhumeauSep 25, 2014 3:39 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 25, 2014 3:58 am 
Eduard MoraruSep 25, 2014 4:41 am 
Marius Dumitru FloreaSep 26, 2014 6:54 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Sep 29, 2014 4:45 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 29, 2014 5:48 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 29, 2014 5:52 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Sep 29, 2014 6:08 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 29, 2014 6:24 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Sep 29, 2014 6:28 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 29, 2014 6:37 am 
Eduard MoraruOct 1, 2014 12:12 am 
Guillaume LerougeOct 1, 2014 1:08 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 1, 2014 1:46 am 
Guillaume "Louis-Marie" DelhumeauOct 1, 2014 1:59 am 
Guillaume "Louis-Marie" DelhumeauOct 1, 2014 2:04 am 
Guillaume LerougeOct 1, 2014 2:04 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 1, 2014 2:04 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 1, 2014 2:07 am 
Jeremie BOUSQUETOct 1, 2014 2:37 am 
Denis GervalleOct 1, 2014 3:07 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 1, 2014 3:13 am 
Marius Dumitru FloreaOct 1, 2014 3:20 am 
Eduard MoraruOct 1, 2014 4:33 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Oct 1, 2014 5:11 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 1, 2014 5:41 am 
Denis GervalleOct 1, 2014 7:57 am 
Denis GervalleOct 1, 2014 7:58 am 
Denis GervalleOct 1, 2014 8:12 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Oct 1, 2014 8:40 am 
Denis GervalleOct 1, 2014 10:14 am 
Eduard MoraruOct 1, 2014 10:43 am 
Denis GervalleOct 1, 2014 4:59 pm 
Guillaume "Louis-Marie" DelhumeauOct 2, 2014 12:48 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Oct 2, 2014 12:54 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 2, 2014 1:07 am 
Guillaume "Louis-Marie" DelhumeauOct 2, 2014 2:04 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 2, 2014 2:47 am 
Eduard MoraruOct 2, 2014 4:30 am 
vinc...@massol.netOct 2, 2014 4:48 am 
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Subject:Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] New location of the "Add" menu in the new Flamingo skin
From:Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau (gdel@xwiki.com)
Date:Oct 1, 2014 1:59:32 am
List:org.xwiki.devs

So basically, you want: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg

2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vinc@massol.net <vinc@massol.net>:

On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guil@xwiki.com(mailto: guil@xwiki.com)) wrote:

Hi,

after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The idea would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the "Add" button in its place.

Crude image explanation here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png

This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that is contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this, since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too much in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and "More actions" buttons separated from one another.

WDYT?

Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me).

FYI here’s what they have for: - confluence: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 - jira: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004

Thanks -Vincent

Guillaume ᐧ

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < vali@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < me@guillaumelerouge.com> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < vali@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < guil@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi Marius,

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < mari@xwiki.com> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < guil@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi again,

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdel@xwiki.com> wrote:

Hi Eddy,

2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <

enyg@gmail.com

:

Hi devs,

I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started

on

this

topic,

but

in

my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start

being

confused

and

questions like this [1] start to be asked.

The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is

problematic

IMO

for

a

various number of reasons: - It falsely gives the impression that it adds

page-related

entries

(i.e.

related to the current page), due to its current

location

(i.e.

in

the

page

content) - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button

More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of

livetables.

We

would

need a generic "Create" button to be available when we

instantiate

a

livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index page,

for

the

user

directory, for all the AWM homepages...

I guess you like the files live table from the File Manager

then

:)

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable

. Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with

support for

custom

buttons) before the live table don't you think?

IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the

'Actions'

column

in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create'

I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3

reasons

why:

IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that the Actions column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had bulk actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity selection (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row).

Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" column should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and also that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be

used

in

a generic fashion by all livetables :-)

Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be performed in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single element action compared to 'delete'.

A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more of a single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well if you provide some kind of renaming template like '_'.

In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions column have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox column like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go.

Thanks, Eduard

Guillaume

Thanks, Caty

1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the "actions" column is for actions that are related to individual entries that already exist 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on

pages

such

as

"delete selected entries" (as in the file manager)

Best,

Guillaume

Thanks,

Caty

Yes and yes :-)

Guillaume

Basically the button would let the user create a new

item of

the

same

type

than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we

do

this

in

an

ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic

solution.

It's

also

related to the automatic page name generation module

(that we

don't

have

in

the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it <

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module

- from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new

location

looks

completely randomly selected: -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language

specific

brains

are

trained to follow) -- it's not exactly at the top either -- it's not at the right -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates

(i.e.

next

to

WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my mind)

Personally, I like the fact that it is located near the

Edit

button,

even

if it does not concern the current page. Because it

groups

the

most

basic

and useful actions that you need when you want to

contribute:

EDIT,

ADD.

To me, it makes sense.

I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's

quite an

important

aspect

of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I

like

it`s

hard

to miss.

Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others

see

problem

here

with this as well?

Thanks, Eduard