At 11:15 AM 4/9/01 -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

I'll agree and add that no matter the name, there will always be perception problem. Could say those that don't like the naming scheme that has been around for ages and having someone that comes in wanting to change it, which will (most likely) do nothing to enhance the perception of what it really is. If (l)users still don't read the docs before tracking stable...

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I'd suggest that this move to -chat or -docs, as it has nothing to do with tracking -stable and ask those on the list to refrain from discussing this every friggin week and learn the value of a *private* reply and avoid dragging everyone on the list into OT discussion.

It's all fine and dandy to be helpful. Just wish more of the newer folks here would show a little restraint and drop -stable from the reply when dealing with issues that clearly don't have anything to do with tracking the -stable branch.

And before anyone breaks out their flame throwers, consider how many questions in this past week had nothing to do with tracking -stable and should have been posted to other lists or even better, a private reply with a suggestion to check out the archives for commonly asked and answered questions on the appropriate list.

As a matter of perception, those that complain they don't want to track "another" list more appropriate for their question, should then consider that tracking -stable involves a bit of work. And if reading is such a chore should consider that being someone that tracks -stable is like being part of the design/testing team and if you aren't willing to follow the developments.

Rather tired of questions on -stable that first should be on -ports and almost anything with "I'm looking for" doesn't belong here. Perhaps it is the desire to have one list that covers everything. My perception is that this list is becoming that and -ports traffic has dropped or is mostly interportmeister traffic and PR's.

FWIW - Had the thought of making a list the other day when I cleaned out a week's worth of mail. Figured there were better things to do with my time.

A better S/N ratio here would benefit everyone, so do perceive this as a call for everyone on the list, active or not, to show a little restraint and consideration to what this list is supposed to be about and still help those that need it, privately if need be.

One more thing that drove me nuts when cleaning out a zillion messages. If you post a question and follow-up, a suggestion would be to place the "sovled/solution/patch/etc." at the *end* of the subject. And if you don't get an answer within 5 minutes, don't post another with a different subject or keep changing it when the essence hasn't changed. Not to point any fingers, but some might call him "Bob" who will receive some bar-b-que sauce for when the flames go out as a consolation prize.

Jeff Mountin - je...@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve

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