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| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 6, 2008 4:19 am | |
| Felix Knecht | Aug 6, 2008 4:28 am | |
| Andrew Savory | Aug 6, 2008 4:30 am | |
| Daniel Fagerstrom | Aug 6, 2008 4:39 am | |
| Thorsten Scherler | Aug 6, 2008 4:54 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Aug 6, 2008 4:56 am | |
| Jasha Joachimsthal | Aug 6, 2008 6:15 am | |
| Peter Hunsberger | Aug 6, 2008 7:30 am | |
| Ralph Goers | Aug 6, 2008 7:43 am | |
| Joerg Heinicke | Aug 6, 2008 8:09 am | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Aug 7, 2008 5:23 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Aug 8, 2008 7:06 am | |
| Alfred Nathaniel | Aug 8, 2008 4:23 pm | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 10, 2008 1:15 am | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 10, 2008 1:19 am | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Aug 10, 2008 12:08 pm | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 10, 2008 1:18 pm | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Aug 10, 2008 3:46 pm | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 16, 2008 7:19 am | |
| Ralph Goers | Aug 16, 2008 7:32 am | |
| Grzegorz Kossakowski | Aug 17, 2008 7:44 am | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 17, 2008 8:14 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Aug 17, 2008 10:41 am | |
| Grzegorz Kossakowski | Aug 18, 2008 2:23 am | |
| Rainer Pruy | Aug 18, 2008 2:43 am | |
| Grzegorz Kossakowski | Aug 18, 2008 3:04 am | |
| Jeremy Quinn | Aug 18, 2008 3:42 am | |
| Jeremy Quinn | Aug 18, 2008 4:07 am | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 18, 2008 4:21 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Aug 18, 2008 5:12 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Aug 18, 2008 5:13 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Aug 18, 2008 5:47 am | |
| Grzegorz Kossakowski | Aug 18, 2008 6:22 am | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 18, 2008 6:23 am | |
| Grzegorz Kossakowski | Aug 18, 2008 6:28 am | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 18, 2008 6:29 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Aug 18, 2008 8:04 am | |
| Ralph Goers | Aug 18, 2008 8:21 am | |
| Carsten Ziegeler | Aug 18, 2008 8:41 am | |
| Jeremy Quinn | Aug 18, 2008 8:56 am | |
| Sylvain Wallez | Aug 18, 2008 8:57 am | |
| Grzegorz Kossakowski | Aug 19, 2008 4:53 am | |
| Jeremy Quinn | Aug 19, 2008 8:03 am | |
| Jeremy Quinn | Aug 19, 2008 8:10 am | |
| Reinhard Pötz | Aug 20, 2008 5:44 am | |
| Peter Hunsberger | Aug 20, 2008 7:32 am |
| Subject: | Re: Renaming Corona to Cocoon 3.0 and infrastructure | |
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| From: | Grzegorz Kossakowski (gr...@tuffmail.com) | |
| Date: | Aug 18, 2008 2:23:57 am | |
| List: | org.apache.cocoon.dev | |
Sylvain Wallez pisze:
I would say the contrary. Let's not forget that most of our users aren't hard-core developers (they love Cocoon because they can do complex stuff without programming) and they aren't used to this odd/even versioning scheme that comes from the Linux kernel.
Rather than that, it seems to me that most of the "normal" (i.e. non hard-core hacker) people consider a version without any "beta", "milestone" or other suffix as an official stable release. A well-known example is Firefox that goes through a series of milestones, beta and RC version before releasing a stable version with the same number. Eclipse does the same.
Yes, that makes sense. I also wonder how beta, RC, etc. releases can be more
confusing that odd/even
versioning.
Also, I haven't voted for the renaming Corona to Cocoon 3.0 as I was on vacation, but I really think this is too early. Cocoon 2.2 is just out and we announce a 3.0. This will most probably lead people to consider 2.2 as a transition to 3.0 and just not use it, and thus just look elsewhere.
Provided that one documents our thoughts on 2.2 and 3.0 clearly I don't think
there will be that
much of confusion.
Actually, I think it's a high time for us to define official document that
explains our rules for
giving artifacts version numbers. WDYT?
Stated clearly, I have fears that just as Maven almost killed the developer community for 2.2, announcing a 3.0 now will kill the user community.
Sylvain, pardon my ignorance but what kind of real problems with Maven we have
_now_ in Cocoon's
trunk? I can understand that people were fed up with Maven at the beginning of
the transition
because it was almost impossible to build Cocoon. But that was more than one
year ago.
When it comes to user community, I would say that it grows quite nicely. There
are people
contributing[1][2] some tutorials, sharing their experience and seem to have a
real fun with 2.2.
Could it be a good idea that old-timers just take an example of our user's
community and overcome
their own prejudices, finally?
[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.user/65605 [2] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.text.xml.cocoon.user/65389/focus=65416
-- Grzegorz Kossakowski





