RE: [wsrp-wsia] [change request #173] What does it mean to suppor tregistration? - Richard Jacob - org.oasis-open.lists.wsrp-wsia

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Subject:	RE: [wsrp-wsia] [change request #173] What does it mean to suppor tregistration?
From:	Richard Jacob (rich...@de.ibm.com)
Date:	Feb 26, 2003 4:02:11 am
List:	org.oasis-open.lists.wsrp-wsia

wouldn't it solve your use case if you delivered different serviceDescriptions for each of the "customers"? For external: set requiresRegistration=true. They see the registration port type (as you said) and register online. If they don't see it they know they need to register offline. For internal: set requiresRegistration=false. The don't register and use the "null" context.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,

Richard Jacob

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Here is my use case for a hypothetical producer: I would like to publish one wsdl for all my consumers to use. Some of my potential consumers are outside my firewall while others (more trusted ones I hope) are inside the firewall. Both kinds do getServiceDescription() and the producer leverages some unspecified transport level security to classify requestors as inside/outside my firewall. I would like to be able to tell the external ones that they are required to do online registration while I will let the internal ones use portlets without always registering first. I would like to use ServiceDescription.requiresOnlineRegistration (response to getServiceDescription) to direct outside consumers to register.

Not a "must have", but why would tightening the semantics to "requires online registration" hurt? At worst, a consumer gets a soap fault if it supplies a null registration context to a producer service that requires (some unspecified form of offline) registration.

regards, Andre

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Jacob [mailto:rich...@de.ibm.com] Sent: 25 February 2003 16:32 To: wsrp...@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [change request #173] What does it mean to support registration?

my understanding of the requiresRegistration field was thet the producer might state that the "null-Registration" context is useless, say if a Consumer wants to use this Producer it must register first. It does not say _how_ to establish a registation context, i.e. in-band or out-of-band. If we need to define the how we should have a flag like "supportsInlineRegistration". But I thought that this is expressed by supporting the registration port type. There are several means to find out if this port type is supported. Óne of them might be an appropriate model in registries like UDDI. Another one is WSDL introspection. Or as some prefer: "Google" :-)

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,

Richard Jacob

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More fundamentally, there is a difference between supporting registration and requiring it. The semantics of the statement in question relate to supporting registration while the reference is to the flag which only reflects whether or not registration is required.

Rich Thompson

Andre Kramer <andr...@eu.citrix.com> 02/21/2003 11:27 AM

To: wsrp...@lists.oasis-open.org cc: Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [change request #173] What does it mean to suppor t registration?

We could rename "requiresRegistration" to "requiresOnlineRegistration".

Or instead, have a

String[] registrationMethods in ServiceDescription, with "wsrp-registration" meaning online, other values unspecified.

Even for 1.0, I do not think we should require consumers to look into the WSDL service details. URLs for endpoints could be obtained through other means (e.g. UDDI), and one URL may even be multiplexed to more than one factor, so the only way to check the online registration requirement would be to attempt to call register(), if we make this flag only mean "requires some form of registration".

regards, Andre

-----Original Message----- From: Rich Thompson [mailto:ric...@us.ibm.com] Sent: 21 February 2003 15:59 To: wsrp...@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [wsrp-wsia] [change request #173] What does it mean to support registration?

Document: Spec Section: 8.3 Page/Line: 52 / 20-22 Requested by: Rich Thompson

Old text: If the Producer's metadata declares registration is not supported (i.e. requiresRegistration flag was set to "false"), then the Consumer MUST

Proposed text: If the Producer's metadata declares registration is not supported (i.e. requiresRegistration flag was set to "false" and Registraton portType is not bound to a port), then the Consumer MUST

Reasoning: The Producer can support registration without requiring it.

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