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| Subject: | Re: Is 303 really necessary? | |
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| From: | mike amundsen (mam...@yahoo.com) | |
| Date: | Nov 4, 2010 7:28:39 pm | |
| List: | org.w3.public-lod | |
<snip>
It is *a* solution -- not necessarily *the* solution.
</snip> understood.
<snip>
And if you don't want it centralized, there are ways to get around that also, which I discussed in 2005: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0057.html
</snip> The alternate method described there looks (to me) quite a bit like Ian's proposal (using a triple to sort out the indirection).
<snip> It is conceptually similar in that it can define its own conventions and semantics. </snip> yes, that was my observation.
<snip> However, the key point is that it is *layered* on the good old http scheme. Thus, if you click on this URI:
http://t-d-b.org/?http://dbooth.org/2005/dbooth/
it works, with no changes needed to your browser </snip> So the thinking here is to use the "concept" of a scheme without actually minting one because the most common client today would throw an error if an actual scheme was used, right?
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On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 20:42, David Booth <dav...@dbooth.org> wrote:
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 18:27 -0400, mike amundsen wrote:
<snip> Also please note that if you mint your URIs using a 303-redirect service such as http://thing-described-by.org/ then the extra network hop from the 303 redirect could be optimized away by parsing the URI, as described here: http://thing-described-by.org/#optimizing For example, you would have the relationship:
<http://t-d-b.org/?http://example/toucan-page> :isDescribedBy <http://example/toucan-page> . </snip> So the solution is to introduce a URI convention (assigning meaning to the convention) and use a central service to implement this feature.
It is *a* solution -- not necessarily *the* solution. And if you don't want it centralized, there are ways to get around that also, which I discussed in 2005: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0057.html
<snip> so if the toucan were denoted by the URI http://t-d-b.org/?http://example/toucan-page the you know that its description is located at http://example/toucan-page and there is no need to actually dereference the other URI. </snip> And to expect consumers of the URI to also understand and honor that convention.
That sure looks|sounds to me like a new URI scheme.
It is not a URI scheme as defined in RFC 3986: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986 It is conceptually similar in that it can define its own conventions and semantics. However, the key point is that it is *layered* on the good old http scheme. Thus, if you click on this URI:
http://t-d-b.org/?http://dbooth.org/2005/dbooth/
it works, with no changes needed to your browser. In contrast, if you click on this URI:
tdb:http://dbooth.org/2005/dbooth/
You get an error.
-- David Booth, Ph.D. Cleveland Clinic (contractor) http://dbooth.org/
Opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of Cleveland Clinic.