| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 10:08 am | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 20, 2000 10:15 am | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 10:54 am | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 20, 2000 11:15 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 11:42 am | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 11:43 am | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 20, 2000 11:45 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 11:52 am | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 20, 2000 11:57 am | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 12:02 pm | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 12:23 pm | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 20, 2000 12:24 pm | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 12:29 pm | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 12:34 pm | |
| Luoqi Chen | Jun 20, 2000 12:35 pm | |
| Nate Williams | Jun 20, 2000 12:35 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 12:36 pm | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 12:36 pm | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 12:38 pm | |
| Nate Williams | Jun 20, 2000 12:40 pm | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 20, 2000 12:41 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 12:41 pm | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 12:46 pm | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 12:47 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 12:49 pm | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 20, 2000 12:50 pm | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 12:53 pm | |
| Greg Lehey | Jun 20, 2000 12:58 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 1:08 pm | |
| Bart van Leeuwen | Jun 20, 2000 1:42 pm | |
| The Hermit Hacker | Jun 20, 2000 4:02 pm | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 20, 2000 4:07 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 4:11 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 4:11 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jun 20, 2000 4:18 pm | |
| Jason Evans | Jun 20, 2000 11:52 pm | |
| Jason Evans | Jun 21, 2000 12:16 am | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 21, 2000 12:21 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Jun 21, 2000 12:21 am | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 21, 2000 12:26 am | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 21, 2000 12:29 am | |
| Matthew Jacob | Jun 21, 2000 12:33 am | |
| Jason Evans | Jun 21, 2000 1:10 am | |
| Martin Cracauer | Jun 21, 2000 8:37 am | |
| Matthew Dillon | Jun 21, 2000 9:03 am | |
| Terry Lambert | Jun 21, 2000 9:54 am | |
| Arun Sharma | Jun 21, 2000 10:24 pm | |
| Terry Lambert | Jun 22, 2000 11:15 am |
| Subject: | Re: SMP discussion moving to freebsd-smp | |
|---|---|---|
| From: | Jason Evans (jas...@canonware.com) | |
| Date: | Jun 21, 2000 12:16:59 am | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-smp | |
On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 05:11:37PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
In message <Pine...@thelab.hub.org> The Hermit
Hacker writes:
: Which one would be harder to merge back into -current from a branch? Your
: NEWCARD work or the SMP work? Why not make a branch for NEWCARD and when
: the SMP work is declared stable, *you* spend the effort of merging it back
: in?
I would do that if the SMP stuff is really bad. I think that Matt's assuances indicate this won't be the case.
However, it isn't just NEWCARD. It is every other project that is going on in -current right now. There's work on the usb stack, in the sound system, in the config system, etc. Should all of them run on a branch? No. They shouldn't. If the SMP folks were to have done what was implied in the original message, I think we'd all get together and create a branch for real work.
Having said that, I think that the SMP folks now understand the importance of keeping the really bad breakage down to a few days and keeping the base of the system somewhat stable. I don't think a branch will be necessary unless the SMP folks aren't able to do what they say they are going to do.
This is in my opinion a bit revisionist, but part of the blame falls on me for not clarifying "destabilization" adequately. -current will continue to compile for the most part, and may even work okay most of the time. However, there are a couple of transitions we will have to make that will cause massive instability for periods of as much as a week or two as we smash all the major problems. This is not anything too far out of the ordinary with regard to -current, which is meant for development. The difference is that we expect this periods of instability to be unavoidable. We'll push through them as quickly as possible, but things will be a bit iffy at times.
Jason
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