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| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 10:31 am | |
| Andi Gutmans | May 9, 2011 10:32 am | |
| Rasmus Lerdorf | May 9, 2011 10:38 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 9, 2011 10:43 am | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 10:44 am | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 10:47 am | |
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| Rasmus Lerdorf | May 9, 2011 10:53 am | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 11:07 am | |
| Stas Malyshev | May 9, 2011 11:13 am | |
| Stas Malyshev | May 9, 2011 11:35 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 9, 2011 11:39 am | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 11:52 am | |
| Stefan Marr | May 9, 2011 12:33 pm | |
| Lester Caine | May 9, 2011 2:41 pm | |
| dukeofgaming | May 9, 2011 3:00 pm | |
| Ilia Alshanetsky | May 9, 2011 3:09 pm | |
| Andi Gutmans | May 9, 2011 3:39 pm | |
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| Lester Caine | May 9, 2011 5:25 pm | |
| Stas Malyshev | May 9, 2011 5:35 pm | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 5:35 pm | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 9, 2011 5:35 pm | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 9, 2011 5:55 pm | |
| Stas Malyshev | May 9, 2011 6:22 pm | |
| Pierrick Charron | May 9, 2011 8:03 pm | |
| Mike Willbanks | May 9, 2011 8:42 pm | |
| Pierrick Charron | May 9, 2011 8:50 pm | |
| Drak | May 9, 2011 9:09 pm | |
| Lester Caine | May 9, 2011 10:45 pm | |
| Pascal COURTOIS | May 9, 2011 11:06 pm | |
| Chad Fulton | May 10, 2011 12:01 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 12:43 am | |
| Lars Schultz | May 10, 2011 1:02 am | |
| Jordi Boggiano | May 10, 2011 1:10 am | |
| Lars Schultz | May 10, 2011 1:16 am | |
| Rasmus Lerdorf | May 10, 2011 1:44 am | |
| Sebastian Bergmann | May 10, 2011 2:34 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 2:39 am | |
| Sebastian Bergmann | May 10, 2011 2:40 am | |
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| Drak | May 10, 2011 3:21 am | |
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| Arvids Godjuks | May 10, 2011 4:42 am | |
| Martin Scotta | May 10, 2011 5:28 am | |
| Martin Scotta | May 10, 2011 5:46 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 6:13 am | |
| Lars Schultz | May 10, 2011 6:37 am | |
| chri...@mohiva.com | May 10, 2011 6:55 am | |
| Lars Schultz | May 10, 2011 7:12 am | |
| Pas | May 10, 2011 7:19 am | |
| Alain Williams | May 10, 2011 7:19 am | |
| Christian Kaps | May 10, 2011 7:50 am | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 8:02 am | |
| Arvids Godjuks | May 10, 2011 8:07 am | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 10, 2011 8:07 am | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 8:20 am | |
| Jonathan Bond-Caron | May 10, 2011 8:43 am | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 8:49 am | |
| Jonathan Bond-Caron | May 10, 2011 8:51 am | |
| Matthew Weier O'Phinney | May 10, 2011 8:56 am | |
| Matthew Weier O'Phinney | May 10, 2011 8:57 am | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 9:10 am | |
| Stas Malyshev | May 10, 2011 9:30 am | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 10, 2011 9:46 am | |
| Zeev Suraski | May 10, 2011 9:47 am | |
| Sebastian Bergmann | May 10, 2011 10:14 am | |
| Sebastian Bergmann | May 10, 2011 10:15 am | |
| Matthew Weier O'Phinney | May 10, 2011 10:19 am | |
| Drak | May 10, 2011 10:29 am | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 11:12 am | |
| Christopher Jones | May 10, 2011 11:16 am | |
| Mike Robinson | May 10, 2011 11:20 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 11:21 am | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 11:22 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 11:27 am | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 11:28 am | |
| Matthew Weier O'Phinney | May 10, 2011 12:27 pm | |
| dukeofgaming | May 10, 2011 12:28 pm | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 10, 2011 12:31 pm | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 10, 2011 12:35 pm | |
| Drak | May 10, 2011 12:36 pm | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 12:40 pm | |
| Ferenc Kovacs | May 10, 2011 12:41 pm | |
| dukeofgaming | May 10, 2011 12:44 pm | |
| Rasmus Lerdorf | May 10, 2011 12:44 pm | |
| Drak | May 10, 2011 12:49 pm | |
| Rasmus Lerdorf | May 10, 2011 12:51 pm | |
| Chad Fulton | May 10, 2011 1:02 pm | |
| Christopher Jones | May 10, 2011 1:28 pm | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 2:32 pm | |
| Lars Schultz | May 10, 2011 3:03 pm | |
| guil...@gmail.com | May 10, 2011 3:27 pm | |
| Johannes Schlüter | May 10, 2011 5:01 pm | |
| Johannes Schlüter | May 10, 2011 5:15 pm | |
| Lester Caine | May 10, 2011 10:41 pm | |
| Lars Schultz | May 10, 2011 11:34 pm | |
| dukeofgaming | May 10, 2011 11:49 pm | |
| Lars Schultz | May 11, 2011 12:02 am | |
| 67 later messages | ||
| Subject: | Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again | |
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| From: | chri...@mohiva.com (chri...@mohiva.com) | |
| Date: | May 10, 2011 6:55:03 am | |
| List: | net.php.lists.internals | |
On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:13:32 +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
so the problem is, that the userland is under-represented in the development, because they usually not present on the mailing list and on irc, where discussions and decisions happen, and they usually have different priorities and expectations about the PHP language than the core devs. to make things worse, they cannot write patches for the core, and the core devs rarely work on something which they don't particularly need or like.
and I think that the only option where we can change that, is that us, the php userland devs has to be more active on the mailing lists, irc, bug tracking, writing RFCs etc.
I'm a userland developer, reading the list since two years I think. And I must say I'm totally frustrated about the developing process itself.
The actual proposal process is always the same:
1. Someone proposes a new feature. 2. As next there is a long discussion about the topic which ends up with more dissent than consensus. 3. A long time nothing about the topic. 4. Start new from first point.
And I think in the near feature there will be no changes with the old structures.
Greetings Christian
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