9 messages in net.sourceforge.lists.courier-maildropOT: Spam bounces (was: Re: [maildropl...
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Christian LerrahnJun 13, 2005 7:48 am 
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Casey Allen ShobeJun 16, 2005 3:39 pm 
Sam VarshavchikJun 16, 2005 4:23 pm 
moussJun 16, 2005 4:50 pm 
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Subject:OT: Spam bounces (was: Re: [maildropl] Bounce email in .mailfilter)Actions...
From:Casey Allen Shobe (lis@seattleserver.com)
Date:Jun 17, 2005 1:14:37 am
List:net.sourceforge.lists.courier-maildrop

On Thursday 16 June 2005 23:23, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Bounces to forged return addresses are neither normal, nor reasonable. Only a small minority of mail servers behave in the manner that you think is normal.

Believe it, or not.

We use a pretty standard installation of the second most popular mail server in the world.

If the accounts do not exist your mail server should refuse to accept the messages in the first place, instead of accepting them and bouncing them to a forged return address, which belongs to a victim of forged spam.

And how do you propose to do that when you have a backup MX which accepts messages but has no concept of what the user accounts are like the primary MX that it forwards all mail to does?

B) You are subject to be blacklisted, for abuse. I have already blacklisted several thousands misconfigured mail servers who have been spewing spam bounces at me. If I didn't, last week I would've had almost six hundred turds in my mailbox to flush away.

We've been running a mail server for 200+ domains since 1999, and we are not on any blacklists.

I propose that your mail server should comply with the minimum security standards expected from all modern Internet mail servers, and refuse to accept unwanted mail, instead of accepting it, and bouncing to a forged return address.

Haha. My mail server is a standard qmail+vpopmail installation. I seriously doubt there are any "security" weaknesses in it.

But this has absolutely nothing to do with abusive backscatter bounce-mailbombs to forged return addresses. And you need to understand the difference between "normal and reasonable" bounces, and backscatter, which is subject to get you blacklisted, for abuse.

I'm pretty sure that you're confused in thinking that we're sending out these malicious sorts of responses. But then whan are all the bounce messages to nonexistant addresses in our queue?

Cheers,