|Subject:||Re: Returned mail: sender unknown...|
|From:||Barnacle Wes (we...@intele.net)|
|Date:||Feb 6, 1996 4:54:42 pm|
And perhaps you should check the messages and see that you seem to be the only one 'irritated' with the question.
No, it's just that most people don't even bother to respond to messages like yours anymore, messages of the ilk "I can't install this because you guys are too stupid to make an installation program that just does what I want it to. Never mind that you're giving this away, YOU OWE ME AN INSTALLATION PROGRAM THAT WORKS THE WAY I WANT IT TO." Your tone was very demanding for someone partaking of a gift.
OK, now that I've returned 'tit for tat' let's get on with the real work, son.
Don't you dare insult my parents like that, I am certainly *not* your son.
I don't want to saw my HD in have and do as you suggest. I just want a clean system that doesn't depend on X.
So don't install any X apps, and stop whining about it!
This is the crux of the issue I have with your mail message: the 'average' FreeBSD user, whom the sysinstall program was created for, *does* want to run X. The packages for Emacs and other applications you whined about were built for this 'average' user. If you want something different, something custom, you're free to do that, but NOBODY IN FREEBSD-LAND *OWES* YOU AN INSTALLTION CUSTOMIZED TO YOUR NEEDS, SO STOP DEMANDING ONE!
If you want an emacs that doesn't depend on X, take the time to read the INSTALL instructions that come with emacs, figure out that you have to configure --with-x=no, and build it. Install it. Be happy. But don't criticize someone else for building the 'package' version --with-x just because that's not what you want.
X is nice - but you really don't need it. Even the developer of X is very disappointed in the direction that X has taken. And to think that every useful program for U*ix is falling into the same trap as 'DOG and Windoze'is a major bummer. Perhaps if we were given the choice it wouldn't be so irritating.
Perhaps *YOU* don't need it, but I do. The reason I ftp'd 386bsd in the first place was to develop X applications; this is pretty tough to do without X.
You are given the choice, if you would simply take the time to read the installation instructions, rather than running the default installation, which assumes you will be running X and behaves accordingly.
Or, perhaps if the installation program installed the shared libraies instead of making you install (and I know that this is going to be flamed) a pretty, 3-D shell then perhaps we would be less iritated. I have run all the programs mentioned without X running, so maybe 'it's not an X world after all' [sung to the tune of 'it's a small world after all'].
Or, perhaps if you'd do it yourself, after reading the instructions, rather than *demanding* someone else *donate to you* the time to fix the installation program to do it how *you* want it, rather than the average user!
By the way - I have looked at the CD. And I see what could be install from a few disk now bloating a 600 meg CD. Windoze philosophy is comming - run for your lives.
Funny, I have a perfectly workable FreeBSD installation running on a 386sx/16, with 5 Meg RAM and a 100 Meg disk. Of course, I took the time to read the installation instructions and do this without complaining to the world at large that sysinstall wouldn't do it for me.
If anyone else reads this - Thank you for your patient and quiet response.
Well, I'll take this as an invitation to drop this back into the newsgroup, maybe others will have a renewed interest in your snotty demands for help.
-- Wes Peters | Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late Softweyr | The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder Consulting | I'm an over forty victim of fate... we...@intele.net | Jimmy Buffett