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| Qing Li | Aug 29, 2011 8:02 am | |
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| Subject: | Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve | |
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| From: | Vadim Goncharov (vadi...@mail.ru) | |
| Date: | Aug 25, 2011 1:29:14 pm | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-arch | |
Hi Xin LI!
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:20:42 -0700; Xin LI wrote about 'Re: FreeBSD problems and
preliminary ways to solve':
One thing I thought I'd bring up (since I haven't seen it mentioned yet) is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. I haven't tried it, so I'm talking through my hat a bunch, but...
It seems to me that FreeBSD should do what it can to support this effort. Why? Well, I suspect a lot of why organizations
No. FreeBSD has limited resources. We need to:
a) fix our own problems b) develop our own unique features (see my message to Robert Watson)
And supporting Debian will mean wasting resources which could be spent to these. This will effectively kill FreeBSD as a separate entity if our problems will stay unfixed and get worse due to this.
Leave this work to Debian: they already have a wide community and many resources. Any Linux distro has more resources than BSD because they just only pack someone's software, and we have to also actually *develop* those software (most of all, kernel and libc).
I consider Debian GNU/kFreeBSD as a platform where we can see what the actual {performance,functionality} difference between our code and GNU ones, which is valuable. Supporting their effort might be time consuming and maybe not our priority, but it's good not to make their work harder because more importantly, their existence gives us more exposure and more eyes on our codebase as well.
I agree that it's good not to make their work harder (you've pointed valid reasons), but I do not agree that their support is a priority to FreeBSD ("should do what it can"). That's auxiliary, not primary.
-- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:vadi...@mail.ru [Anti-Greenpeace][Sober FreeBSD zealot][http://nuclight.livejournal.com]
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