atom feed193 messages in net.php.lists.internalsRe: [PHP-DEV] annotations again
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Subject:Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again
From:Marcelo Gornstein (marc@gmail.com)
Date:May 9, 2011 10:19:27 am
List:net.php.lists.internals

mm i don't remember saying anything like that :) i dont want to start an argument here, but maybe you'd like to take things less personal and re-read my post.

anyway, i think it's time to stop just saying "no", and really collaborate with what the community is suggesting (and already propsed) in order to bring this into php (5.4 or whatever).

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Stas Malyshev <smal@sugarcrm.com> wrote:

Hi!

my question is: is php a language made for the php developers that mantain the language or for the community that uses them and contributes to it everyday?

Please stop trying to manipulate developers by suggesting if they don't do exactly what you want they hate (or don't care for) all users. This is obviously not true and does not contribute to the discussion.

As for the merits of the question, the problem is not having annotations in general but having consistent, easy, performant model and implementation that makes sense together with the rest of PHP. So far none that were offered were good enough to satisfy that requirement and gather consensus. I think it's better to wait and revisit it in the future than to rush a half-baked concept now. Which means unless somebody makes really strong proposal right now that people would instantly like - it's not 5.4. It doesn't mean "never" either - it can always be done in the next version. If there's something new to say on the topic - great, let's see it.

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