Hi,

On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 05:12 +0300, "Stan Vassilev | FM" wrote:

ok, in a previous post I mentioned this was discussed short time ago (in January to be precise) but well, then once again with more details:

When I learned more about PHP one of the things I learned was that PHP was proud to be a bit more verbose than other languages while not as verbose as others. By using the array()-Syntax newcomers had a thing to look for when reading code which I always saw as a central design principal of the language.

Now we can change such principals from time to time, the world changes, so can PHP. But for changing such principals we need a clear consensus imo. In the January discussion the result was around 50:50 which isn't a clear consensus. Back then there was a small difference between "committers" and "non-committers. In the group of the "committers" there were a few more -1 than +1 votes, within the non-committers-group it was the other way round (your favorite search engine should give you the exact numbers, don't have it at hand). Now my second assumption is that "committers" have thought a little bit more about language than "random" commenters" of course there are exceptions but I think the general picture should be like that. So in January this change wasn't accepted.

So, now, less than half a year later the discussion restarts and we aren't much further, from what I see it still looks like a 50:50 to me - without "counting".

Now to my own opinion:

I read way more code than I write, code from different people using different coding styles etc. so I like a more verbose syntax.