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| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 17, 2011 4:09 pm | |
| Baptiste Daroussin | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 18, 2011 8:41 am | |
| Maxim Ignatenko | Aug 18, 2011 11:09 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 2:23 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Hans Petter Selasky | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:59 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 3:17 pm | |
| Julian Elischer | Aug 18, 2011 7:53 pm | |
| Michael V. Buzuverov | Aug 18, 2011 8:48 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 18, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 19, 2011 12:37 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:23 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:36 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:41 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:55 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:22 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:25 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:37 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:50 am | |
| Bob Bishop | Aug 19, 2011 2:51 am | |
| Pieter de Goeje | Aug 19, 2011 5:01 am | |
| Kris Moore | Aug 19, 2011 5:20 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 6:52 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 8:26 am | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 10:22 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 11:49 am | |
| Nathan Whitehorn | Aug 19, 2011 1:17 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 1:29 pm | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 1:30 pm | |
| Kostik Belousov | Aug 19, 2011 2:26 pm | |
| Rick Macklem | Aug 19, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 3:57 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 5:57 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 11:14 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 20, 2011 4:37 am | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 6:42 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Aug 20, 2011 7:10 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 20, 2011 7:21 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 2:36 pm | |
| Peter Jeremy | Aug 21, 2011 4:04 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 21, 2011 6:51 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 10:04 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 11:33 am | |
| selven | Aug 22, 2011 11:06 pm | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 22, 2011 11:49 pm | |
| 136 later messages | ||
| Subject: | Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve | |
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| From: | Lev Serebryakov (le...@FreeBSD.org) | |
| Date: | Aug 18, 2011 2:23:52 pm | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-arch | |
Hello, Vadim. You wrote 18 августа 2011 г., 3:10:19:
The other social problem is lack of companies which offer commercial support of FreeBSD like RedHat does.
Main social problem, IMHO, that there WAS NOT (I forgot Linux history and don't rememberfirst uf-distributive) and, later, Ubuntu-like versions of FeeBSD. Even if these doen;t replace Windows on many desktops (1% now?), they prepare Linux-aware users, and some of these users becomes admins or people, who decide which OS should be used in their business.
And, I think, it is too late. Why somebody should now choose FreeBSD when here is fancy Linux with bells and whistles? :( Yes, I'm pessimistic :(
I don't say, that people need all these B&W on servers, for example. No.
It works like this: user choose to try something fancy and trendy, and even if he don't start to use it now, after evaluation, he'll return to this system later, if he need to choose something for real task.
Of course, system should be suitable for this task. But almost everything is ``suitable'' for common tasks. And it is NOT ENOUGH to be technically better. System should be far more superior to be chosen, if it is not fancy/trendy. Yes, I belive, that FreeBSD is better than Linux (at least on supported hardware) in server tasks, more clear, more solid, etc. But it is ``only'' better, and is not enough.
Other factors are hardware certification and hosting providers. And, yes, commercial software. I mean Oracle and (not-so-commercial but very important) Java :)
BTW, I belive that Solaris is better than FreeBSD and much, much better that Linux for many server tasks. Now Solaris future is unclear, but before Sun/Oracle acquisition it looks TECHNICALLY very good. But it was not fancy... Ooops... And, even more, I've worked with "small" Sun's servers (like SunFire X4xxx), and with Supermicro-based servers and with Dell servers in same class. Sun's was TECHNICALLY much better, and cost was almost the same. But many of my friends buy Dell or Supermicro for their businesses. Why?! Because ``Sun makes very expensive stuff for very big companies''. And it was Sun, with all marketing money, etc!
I don't think, that last paragraph is off-topic -- it is example of system with exactly same non-techincal problems.
And even best-in-class or best-in-world package management system and streamlined base system DON'T SOLVE non-technical problems. They could help don't lose current users, but they can not help find new ones!
-- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov <le...@FreeBSD.org>
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