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katjaNov 2, 2011 7:24 am 
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Subject:Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?
From:Hans-Christoph Steiner (ha@at.or.at)
Date:Nov 3, 2011 11:46:51 am
List:at.iem.pd-list

Hey Ico,

That's great, we need to do a lot more of that. Can you point me to where these
changes are so I can check them out?

.hc

On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

Indeed, pd-l2ork moves entire selection by tag, so instead of redrawing
everything, out issues single tcl/tk command. The only thing that still redrawed
every time when displaced is gop-enabled patcher.

Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra Assistant Director, CCTAD Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) disis.music.vt.edu l2ork.music.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net

Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> wrote: I believe Ivica made such a modification in Pd-l2ork-- whatever the case, moving
many iemguis in Pd-l2ork is much snappier than in Vanilla or Pd-extended. But I haven't
measured the cpu load.

-Jonathan

----- Original Message -----

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> To: João Pais <jmmm@googlemail.com> Cc: katja <katj@gmail.com>; "pd-l@iem.at" <pd-l@iem.at>; Jonathan
Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is
discontinued?

I doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code is being overloaded. Instead, try running "path/to/pd -stderr -d 3" and you'll see that 'pd' is sending 'pd-gui' massive amounts of Tcl code to pa!

rse, compile, and

execute. In the case of a move, this could be accomplished with one line of Tcl to tag everything you want to move, then one move command to let Tcl/Tk do the moving.

.hc

On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, João Pais wrote:

those spikes is what I was predicting with the graphic overloading of tcl/tk (through data structures, in this case).

you could also try the following: make the "selectable area"

around one corner (or middle) of the button: with a tiny bit more resolution, but less points in the template. if you want to keep the squares, it's even better, because it helps you selecting the structs.

Or one other thing: maybe can the tcl/tk code be changed, so that it

doesn't overload that fast? Reduce the redraw rate, or something else? (I h!

ave no idea about tcl/tk)

Or change the output rate of the struct object? (this might not help much)

About the background grid for instant jumps, an implementation of it in run

mode is easy. I could try to give an example, but don't have any time for now.

----- Original Message -----

From: katja <katj@gmail.com> To: pd-l@iem.at Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> wrote:

How does the cpu usage in my demo!

compare to your patch where

you use

a radiobutton?

Here's a cpu load comparison of objects dragged continuously (on intel mac 2GHz):

polygon in movable_box2.pd: 23 % polygon in 07.sequencer.pd (help browser): 16% radiobutton in moving_objects.pd: 12 % regular Pd slider: 13 % 2D geo in a gem window: 2.5%

I just got intermittent rises up to 50% on a dual core 64-bit amd with all of the above.

I imagine that the cpu load for movable_box2.pd is due to the number of points in the polygon. I think you could get a 20x20 draggable square with 8 coordinates-- that would be equal to the number of p!

oints in a radiobutton so maybe that

would get down

to a corresponding cpu load.

I'll try some tweaks later to see if that works.

-Jonathan

Your polygon method is plain vanilla Pd and that makes it attractive for a widely shared Pd patch. No risk of broken dependencies. But I am afraid it is too cpu-intensive, particularly on Windows. Thanks for sharing the idea though, it is inspiring.

Katja

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