107 messages in org.apache.communityRe: The Apache Jakarta Law (Scientific?)| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Rodent of Unusual Size | 08 Nov 2002 17:48 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 08 Nov 2002 17:50 | |
| James Taylor | 08 Nov 2002 17:56 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 08 Nov 2002 17:57 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 08 Nov 2002 18:04 | |
| Sam Ruby | 08 Nov 2002 18:16 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 08 Nov 2002 18:37 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 08 Nov 2002 18:40 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 00:29 | |
| Jeff Turner | 09 Nov 2002 02:44 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 03:26 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:13 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:25 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 09 Nov 2002 04:27 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:31 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:35 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 09 Nov 2002 04:36 | |
| Danny Angus | 09 Nov 2002 04:39 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 04:50 | |
| Martin van den Bemt | 09 Nov 2002 05:21 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 06:28 | |
| Costin Manolache | 09 Nov 2002 08:49 | |
| Sam Ruby | 09 Nov 2002 09:29 | |
| Costin Manolache | 09 Nov 2002 10:23 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 10:49 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 09 Nov 2002 10:58 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 09 Nov 2002 12:32 | |
| James Duncan Davidson | 09 Nov 2002 15:29 | |
| James Duncan Davidson | 09 Nov 2002 15:37 | |
| Chuck Murcko | 09 Nov 2002 18:07 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 10 Nov 2002 05:29 | |
| Ceki Gülcü | 10 Nov 2002 06:21 | |
| James Duncan Davidson | 10 Nov 2002 09:14 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 11 Nov 2002 19:05 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 11 Nov 2002 19:26 | |
| Sam Ruby | 11 Nov 2002 19:41 | |
| Jeff Turner | 11 Nov 2002 19:42 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 11 Nov 2002 19:43 | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | 11 Nov 2002 21:34 | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | 11 Nov 2002 21:35 | |
| Sam Ruby | 11 Nov 2002 21:50 | |
| Jeff Turner | 11 Nov 2002 23:17 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 12 Nov 2002 07:18 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 12 Nov 2002 07:24 | |
| Martin van den Bemt | 12 Nov 2002 08:18 | |
| Joe Schaefer | 12 Nov 2002 08:19 | |
| Jeff Turner | 12 Nov 2002 08:20 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 12 Nov 2002 08:28 | |
| Henri Yandell | 12 Nov 2002 08:41 | |
| Costin Manolache | 12 Nov 2002 09:57 | |
| Costin Manolache | 12 Nov 2002 10:14 | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | 12 Nov 2002 11:38 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 12 Nov 2002 12:18 | |
| Glenn Nielsen | 12 Nov 2002 19:04 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 13 Nov 2002 02:23 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 03:49 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 03:55 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 04:02 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 04:20 | |
| Stephen McConnell | 13 Nov 2002 04:20 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 13 Nov 2002 06:44 | |
| Joe Schaefer | 13 Nov 2002 07:37 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 08:49 | |
| Costin Manolache | 13 Nov 2002 10:01 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 10:15 | |
| Sam Ruby | 13 Nov 2002 11:16 | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | 13 Nov 2002 11:44 | |
| Costin Manolache | 13 Nov 2002 12:10 | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | 13 Nov 2002 17:37 | |
| Roy T. Fielding | 14 Nov 2002 09:54 | |
| Daniel Rall | 15 Nov 2002 14:44 | |
| Sam Ruby | 15 Nov 2002 19:28 | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | 15 Nov 2002 20:09 | |
| Henri Gomez | 18 Nov 2002 09:56 | |
| Henri Gomez | 18 Nov 2002 10:00 | |
| Henri Gomez | 18 Nov 2002 23:26 | |
| Subject: | Re: The Apache Jakarta Law (Scientific?) |
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| From: | Costin Manolache (cos...@covalent.net) |
| Date: | 11/12/2002 09:57:42 AM |
| List: | org.apache.community |
So far it seems Stefano ( who is not currently a very active tomcat developer) is pissed off by the decisions made on tomcat-dev. I don't see too many tomcat developers flaming each other.
IMHO most ( or all ) tomcat developers agree that both code bases had some good and some bad parts. I also think most of the tomcat community is behind 5.0, which is a merge of ideas and code from both 3.3 and 4.x. And I think users were very well served, and the outcome is one of the best possible.
In the end we have a far better community and a lot more tolerance and understanding.
Costin
On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 08:28, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
The Apache Jakarta Law:
Any discussion regarding Apache Jakarta will eventually degrade into a discussion about the Tomcat 3.3/4.0 issue, often including a full re-analysis of the events, revision of the history, and sometimes degrading into a full re-enactment of the emotionally charged flamewar that engulfed the Tomcat project at the time. Often even those who don't often participate in such "interesting uses of time" will even "match the judgement logic" necessary to participate in such a conversation.
I hope one day my Law is proven false. Perhaps if those involved were to take this on to a wiki and document all about it, the different view points and lessons learned, opposing lessons learned etc, we could one day make this law obsolete at least.
-Andy
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org> writes:
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I believe it was a mistake to allow two different codebases to share the same name.
I'm not convinced that "having two codebases" is necessarily a mistake. So far the discussion here seems to have centered around the concerns of the existing tomcat developers. I'd like to know what the tomcat users (ie. the future tomcat developers) think of the 3.x/4.x division.