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77 messages in net.sourceforge.lists.courier-users[courier-users] RE: freemail list and...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 11:31 am | |
| Jeff Potter | Jan 5, 2004 12:58 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 1:26 pm | |
| Gerardo Gregory | Jan 5, 2004 1:34 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 5, 2004 1:56 pm | |
| Andrew Newton | Jan 5, 2004 3:02 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 5, 2004 3:23 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 3:38 pm | |
| Andrew Newton | Jan 5, 2004 5:49 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 5, 2004 5:57 pm | |
| Andrew Newton | Jan 5, 2004 7:06 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 8:19 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 5, 2004 11:58 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:10 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:11 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:12 am | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 6, 2004 10:20 am | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 10:50 am | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 6, 2004 2:10 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 3:07 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 6, 2004 3:28 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 3:44 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 3:46 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 3:56 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 4:17 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:31 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 4:45 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 5:17 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 5:20 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 5:33 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 5:51 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 6:12 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 6, 2004 6:17 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 6:22 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 6:34 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 6:47 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 7:10 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 7:42 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 7:53 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 7:54 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 7:56 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 8:13 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 8:16 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 8:19 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 8:22 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 8:22 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 8:29 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 11:19 pm | |
| Roland | Jan 7, 2004 3:56 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 4:14 am | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 10:47 am | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 10:59 am | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 7, 2004 11:37 am | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 12:18 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 1:09 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 1:40 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 3:08 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 3:14 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 3:32 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 3:46 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 3:50 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 3:52 pm | |
| Bill Michell | Jan 7, 2004 3:54 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 3:56 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:03 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:06 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 7, 2004 4:12 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 7, 2004 4:16 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 4:27 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:29 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 4:32 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:33 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 4:58 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 5:07 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 5:27 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 7, 2004 6:33 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 7:00 pm |

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| Subject: | [courier-users] RE: freemail list and questions about yahoo... | Actions... |
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| From: | Julian Mehnle (lis...@mehnle.net) | |
| Date: | Jan 6, 2004 6:12:38 pm | |
| List: | net.sourceforge.lists.courier-users | |
Roger B.A. Klorese <rog...@queernet.org> wrote:
Julian Mehnle wrote:
In which way? Could you please describe an abstract requirements scenario which cannot be satisfied by SPF?
Sure.
I connect my work machine to my home Earthlink network.
Since the only machine whose port 25 I am alowed to talk to is smtp.earthlink.net, I connect to it.
My client sends to it: MAIL FROM:<rog...@workdomain.com> RCPT TO:<joeb...@fardomain.com>
smtp.earlink.net connects to smtp.fardomain.com and says: EHLO smtp.earthlink.net MAIL FROM:<rog...@workdomain.com>
...but it's not SPF'd for workdomain.com, of course.
But it *could* be. You can set the following SPF record for workdomain.com (if
Earthlink has their own SPF set up correctly):
v=spf1 [...] include:earthlink.net -all
or (if Earthlink uses their incoming MXes as outgoing MXes as well):
v=spf1 [...] mx:earthlink.net -all
or even (otherwise):
v=spf1 [...] a:smtp.earthlink.net -all
Then you can send via Earthlink, with only minimally loosened SPF protection
(theoretically, any Earthlink user could forge his mails as coming from
workdomain.com). qed.
Yahoo's scheme has the advantage that the owner of workdomain.com doesn't have
to open his domain to forgery from other domains (like in the example above).
But as soon as a user @workdomain.com is forced to send through a 3rd party SMTP
relay (like in the example above), either the user or that 3rd party would need
access to the workdomain.com private key to properly sign the sent messages.
So essentially, the difference in this regard between SPF and the Yahoo scheme
is that with SPF, the 3rd party must be trusted, while with the Yahoo scheme,
the 3rd party OR the user @workdomain.com must be trusted. I.e., with SPF,
trust cannot be delegated to the user.
Did I get anything wrong?







